1 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:03,530 welcome welcome everybody to my awesome 2 00:00:08,210 --> 00:00:05,730 Friday evening you're listening to me 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:08,220 Heidi Hollis the Outlander so welcome to 4 00:00:14,839 --> 00:00:11,610 the show everybody oh my gosh it's been 5 00:00:16,970 --> 00:00:14,849 gorgeous out I'm in Chicago and we 6 00:00:19,939 --> 00:00:16,980 should be dealing with some at least a 7 00:00:23,150 --> 00:00:19,949 little frost coming around but nope mid 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:23,160 70s today and it's October almost 9 00:00:27,529 --> 00:00:26,010 Halloween that's that's just cuckoo but 10 00:00:29,599 --> 00:00:27,539 I don't mind it no one's complaining 11 00:00:32,990 --> 00:00:29,609 here that I've seen except for people 12 00:00:35,330 --> 00:00:33,000 who really love fall weather I like look 13 00:00:38,299 --> 00:00:35,340 the leaves are turning just enjoy the 14 00:00:40,990 --> 00:00:38,309 nice warm breeze but anyways I tell you 15 00:00:43,729 --> 00:00:41,000 guys who do not know where you've landed 16 00:00:45,979 --> 00:00:43,739 this show is about bringing outlandish 17 00:00:48,590 --> 00:00:45,989 and interesting topics to the forefront 18 00:00:50,889 --> 00:00:48,600 from aliens angels ghosts demons holy 19 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:50,899 encounter shadow people to Bigfoot to 20 00:00:55,939 --> 00:00:53,610 the outlandish I always say if it's 21 00:01:00,170 --> 00:00:55,949 weird we're here and now you've joined 22 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:00,180 me in my madness if you don't know who I 23 00:01:04,969 --> 00:01:02,930 am when it comes to the outlandish 24 00:01:07,250 --> 00:01:04,979 personally I'm someone who has been 25 00:01:09,350 --> 00:01:07,260 there seeing that experienced it freaked 26 00:01:11,899 --> 00:01:09,360 out found some answers wrote about it 27 00:01:13,039 --> 00:01:11,909 got over and now I'm hoping to help 28 00:01:16,390 --> 00:01:13,049 others do the same darn thing and 29 00:01:18,350 --> 00:01:16,400 understand this wild world of ours I 30 00:01:22,190 --> 00:01:18,360 welcome you to go to my main website 31 00:01:24,499 --> 00:01:22,200 which is Heidi Hollis calm and you will 32 00:01:29,420 --> 00:01:24,509 discover things there that no man should 33 00:01:32,179 --> 00:01:29,430 not know oh you guys you can hear this 34 00:01:34,370 --> 00:01:32,189 program inception radio network they 35 00:01:37,190 --> 00:01:34,380 have a wonderful app most of the 36 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:37,200 listeners seems to listen to that so 37 00:01:41,569 --> 00:01:38,850 that's all good so you may not be 38 00:01:43,850 --> 00:01:41,579 listening to me live which is okay I'll 39 00:01:45,260 --> 00:01:43,860 forgive you we have exploded on the 40 00:01:46,819 --> 00:01:45,270 scene we could be heard on so many 41 00:01:49,190 --> 00:01:46,829 different platforms I don't even know 42 00:01:51,679 --> 00:01:49,200 all of them but I know I hurts one of 43 00:01:55,429 --> 00:01:51,689 our newest so welcome everybody over 44 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:55,439 there I art um so it's also this very 45 00:02:00,800 --> 00:01:57,930 dandy little phone number that you could 46 00:02:02,749 --> 00:02:00,810 call like my parents use it to listen to 47 00:02:04,730 --> 00:02:02,759 this show that does dial a number but 48 00:02:07,609 --> 00:02:04,740 I'd speak the phone with just seven one 49 00:02:11,300 --> 00:02:07,619 two seven seven zero eight eight eight 50 00:02:12,890 --> 00:02:11,310 eight and though I know most of you guys 51 00:02:13,790 --> 00:02:12,900 are not listening to the show live which 52 00:02:15,590 --> 00:02:13,800 I don't know 53 00:02:17,060 --> 00:02:15,600 because we're in the chatroom you should 54 00:02:18,710 --> 00:02:17,070 really be enjoying it I don't know why 55 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:18,720 but there's a lot of people over there 56 00:02:22,970 --> 00:02:20,490 that are trickling on into the chatroom 57 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:22,980 when we have a lot of fun but you can 58 00:02:28,490 --> 00:02:25,770 call into this show live at one eight 59 00:02:31,610 --> 00:02:28,500 eight eight nine one nine 2355 or Skype 60 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:31,620 your comments and questions to inception 61 00:02:36,590 --> 00:02:34,050 of Radio Network and MJ will filter 62 00:02:38,690 --> 00:02:36,600 those lovely questions this way and if 63 00:02:44,780 --> 00:02:38,700 you go and join us in the chatroom 64 00:02:47,060 --> 00:02:44,790 just type IR in chat comm and cap your 65 00:02:49,070 --> 00:02:47,070 comments and questions and I'll do my 66 00:02:51,290 --> 00:02:49,080 best to get to them can be hard to do 67 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:51,300 when I'm trying to listen and juggle 68 00:03:00,110 --> 00:02:57,330 stuff and and eat a snack or to drink a 69 00:03:04,100 --> 00:03:00,120 coffee or tea I don't know whatever put 70 00:03:06,650 --> 00:03:04,110 my feet up I do my best 71 00:03:09,500 --> 00:03:06,660 um now I've heard from a lot of you guys 72 00:03:11,570 --> 00:03:09,510 who are saying where's that landed 73 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:11,580 corner I'm sending you my emails I am 74 00:03:16,850 --> 00:03:13,890 sorry okay I'm sorry I'm getting to them 75 00:03:19,310 --> 00:03:16,860 now cuz today first 30 minutes of my 76 00:03:21,770 --> 00:03:19,320 program I will have the outlandish 77 00:03:23,300 --> 00:03:21,780 corner what is that that's where you 78 00:03:25,460 --> 00:03:23,310 well send your comments and questions 79 00:03:28,310 --> 00:03:25,470 your experiences anything out of the 80 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:28,320 ordinary that with send them on over to 81 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:30,810 me and I will give some level-headed 82 00:03:35,780 --> 00:03:33,330 advice on whatever it may be I am NOT a 83 00:03:38,540 --> 00:03:35,790 psychic or a guru I'm just weird and 84 00:03:42,710 --> 00:03:38,550 I've written a lot of books okay sorry 85 00:03:46,690 --> 00:03:42,720 but my email address is dust Outlander 86 00:03:50,210 --> 00:03:46,700 its Diaz and David a ssyn Sam outlanding 87 00:03:53,810 --> 00:03:50,220 Outlander booth at gmail.com sorry it's 88 00:03:57,380 --> 00:03:53,820 the Reese's oh I found my favorite new 89 00:03:59,660 --> 00:03:57,390 food okay not food but snack like 90 00:04:01,520 --> 00:03:59,670 Reese's Cup was my favorite well it's 91 00:04:07,100 --> 00:04:01,530 just got better because they threw 92 00:04:08,330 --> 00:04:07,110 Reese's Pieces oh man I just couldn't 93 00:04:11,350 --> 00:04:08,340 imagine that could have gotten better 94 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:11,360 but it sure did mmm it is delicious so 95 00:04:19,849 --> 00:04:16,370 don't mind me I'm still enjoying those 96 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:19,859 so you know what I've done this evening 97 00:04:26,670 --> 00:04:21,930 because our guest this evening is truly 98 00:04:30,330 --> 00:04:26,680 truly kind of in the same in the same 99 00:04:32,850 --> 00:04:30,340 of the holiday and the outlandish corner 100 00:04:34,950 --> 00:04:32,860 so and I will officially introduce them 101 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:34,960 after the break but he's gonna join me 102 00:04:40,439 --> 00:04:37,330 for the outlandish corner so I would 103 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:40,449 like to tell Brandon my sulo hello I 104 00:04:45,450 --> 00:04:42,970 hope I said it right to pop on in here 105 00:04:49,020 --> 00:04:45,460 Brandon you there yes I'm here 106 00:04:53,070 --> 00:04:49,030 yeehaw how do you masuleh said it well 107 00:04:57,950 --> 00:04:53,080 sue oh yeah you're my sulo okay I'm 108 00:05:03,029 --> 00:05:01,260 so I am ecstatic that you know it's been 109 00:05:06,270 --> 00:05:03,039 a while since I've invited a guest to 110 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:06,280 join me for the outlandish corner but 111 00:05:11,550 --> 00:05:08,770 for so you guys know sneak peek okay I'm 112 00:05:15,029 --> 00:05:11,560 his uh his bio he has written a new book 113 00:05:16,770 --> 00:05:15,039 called ghost studies oh yeah so um 114 00:05:19,170 --> 00:05:16,780 Brandon and I did not like ferret 115 00:05:20,850 --> 00:05:19,180 through these emails before selecting 116 00:05:23,460 --> 00:05:20,860 them I just kind of copy paste it and 117 00:05:24,810 --> 00:05:23,470 just kind of went with it so I think a 118 00:05:27,060 --> 00:05:24,820 little alien or something in there I 119 00:05:32,610 --> 00:05:27,070 don't know we're gonna see so I don't 120 00:05:35,790 --> 00:05:32,620 know from there or Bigfoot crap let's 121 00:05:39,510 --> 00:05:35,800 see what we got to the Hat here all 122 00:05:41,129 --> 00:05:39,520 right so these are fun but not always 123 00:05:43,409 --> 00:05:41,139 there it could be really horrifying 124 00:05:45,870 --> 00:05:43,419 stuff but okay so anyways this says dear 125 00:05:47,730 --> 00:05:45,880 Heidi I have no one that I could tell 126 00:05:49,620 --> 00:05:47,740 this to that would understand I think 127 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:49,630 that it wasn't imagining what I 128 00:05:54,659 --> 00:05:52,570 experienced oh okay try entire life I 129 00:05:57,510 --> 00:05:54,669 have been connected with the paranormal 130 00:06:00,149 --> 00:05:57,520 aliens haha there you go Brandon had a 131 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:00,159 near-death experience when I was little 132 00:06:05,969 --> 00:06:02,050 and this year experience something that 133 00:06:07,980 --> 00:06:05,979 I cannot clarify on Mother's Day weekend 134 00:06:10,620 --> 00:06:07,990 of this year I woke up around 4:30 a.m. 135 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:10,630 and could not get back to sleep after 136 00:06:16,620 --> 00:06:12,970 some time I decided to order a movie 137 00:06:19,770 --> 00:06:16,630 while still lying in bed when lying Abed 138 00:06:22,050 --> 00:06:19,780 I faced the entrance to my bedroom as I 139 00:06:25,379 --> 00:06:22,060 was watching the movie I saw movement 140 00:06:30,750 --> 00:06:25,389 come in to focus in the doorway I looked 141 00:06:34,020 --> 00:06:30,760 up and saw black sharp features leaning 142 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:34,030 on the doorframe of my bedroom whoa that 143 00:06:39,269 --> 00:06:35,010 gives me chills 144 00:06:39,999 --> 00:06:39,279 the shapes were sharp and black like 145 00:06:47,140 --> 00:06:40,009 flat 146 00:06:51,159 --> 00:06:47,150 paper the shape was that of a head and a 147 00:06:52,570 --> 00:06:51,169 shoulder leaning in as if it was peeking 148 00:06:56,499 --> 00:06:52,580 around the corner 149 00:06:57,790 --> 00:06:56,509 ooh Brandon we got a juicy one here I 150 00:07:00,639 --> 00:06:57,800 saw it 151 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:00,649 had enough time to realize I was looking 152 00:07:06,850 --> 00:07:04,490 at something and then look to my dog who 153 00:07:09,790 --> 00:07:06,860 was lying on the bed to see if he would 154 00:07:11,769 --> 00:07:09,800 have reacted or is paying attention he 155 00:07:13,570 --> 00:07:11,779 was licking his paws and the presents 156 00:07:16,839 --> 00:07:13,580 didn't disturb him or call his attention 157 00:07:20,469 --> 00:07:16,849 I looked back at the object and in my 158 00:07:22,719 --> 00:07:20,479 head said it's a shadow person as soon 159 00:07:25,719 --> 00:07:22,729 as I thought went through my head the 160 00:07:29,260 --> 00:07:25,729 black figure immediately began to 161 00:07:32,230 --> 00:07:29,270 dissipate it didn't disappear but turned 162 00:07:35,350 --> 00:07:32,240 green and looked as if the shape was 163 00:07:37,929 --> 00:07:35,360 fading green energy I could clearly 164 00:07:40,659 --> 00:07:37,939 still see the outline of the shapes as 165 00:07:44,769 --> 00:07:40,669 the head and shoulder sections turned 166 00:07:48,189 --> 00:07:44,779 from 2d black cutout to green energy and 167 00:07:51,549 --> 00:07:48,199 dissolve completely Wow I wasn't 168 00:07:53,679 --> 00:07:51,559 terrified but more in shock to me I feel 169 00:07:56,829 --> 00:07:53,689 that it was a shadow person I would have 170 00:08:00,070 --> 00:07:56,839 been completely terrified chill hora etc 171 00:08:03,549 --> 00:08:00,080 I feel I truly feel that if it was more 172 00:08:06,820 --> 00:08:03,559 alien related do you have any idea what 173 00:08:08,290 --> 00:08:06,830 I saw or any thoughts and regards any 174 00:08:10,899 --> 00:08:08,300 hope you could give me would be greatly 175 00:08:13,570 --> 00:08:10,909 appreciated every day I replay this I 176 00:08:15,249 --> 00:08:13,580 can't sleep in my room without keeping 177 00:08:18,879 --> 00:08:15,259 the lights I don't blame you even 178 00:08:20,499 --> 00:08:18,889 thought the and even took place what 179 00:08:23,139 --> 00:08:20,509 even thought that sometimes they don't 180 00:08:25,540 --> 00:08:23,149 edit that's okay even thought that it 181 00:08:28,179 --> 00:08:25,550 even took place well it was light 182 00:08:30,279 --> 00:08:28,189 outside I have two little boys and I'm a 183 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:30,289 single mom and want to make sure that 184 00:08:35,170 --> 00:08:33,289 they are not in any danger or if I need 185 00:08:43,059 --> 00:08:35,180 to call on further help thank you so 186 00:08:47,170 --> 00:08:43,069 much Tracy boom Brandon oh wow that was 187 00:08:50,590 --> 00:08:47,180 really really descriptive like she got 188 00:08:52,870 --> 00:08:50,600 the color changes she got everything and 189 00:08:53,830 --> 00:08:52,880 I guess I always wonder why it seems 190 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:53,840 often that the 191 00:08:58,750 --> 00:08:55,730 figures and apparitions appear in 192 00:09:02,050 --> 00:08:58,760 doorways in doorframe it doesn't always 193 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:02,060 seem that way it does well a collection 194 00:09:05,590 --> 00:09:04,010 of positive negative ions what are we 195 00:09:09,010 --> 00:09:05,600 talking about like a lightning rod of 196 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:09,020 sorts a third world I don't know it's 197 00:09:13,030 --> 00:09:11,090 its it seems like they're almost hanging 198 00:09:16,180 --> 00:09:13,040 out in the doorway just looking at it at 199 00:09:18,340 --> 00:09:16,190 someone it's a weird phenomenon but I 200 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:18,350 guess my question I almost want to ask 201 00:09:24,430 --> 00:09:20,210 her questions like how often does this 202 00:09:27,100 --> 00:09:24,440 happen how long was the apparition there 203 00:09:28,780 --> 00:09:27,110 what makes that day different than every 204 00:09:31,750 --> 00:09:28,790 other day like what was going on that 205 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:31,760 that thing appeared that day I know 206 00:09:35,740 --> 00:09:33,410 you're more of an expert on shadow 207 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:35,750 people than that I'll ever yeah yeah but 208 00:09:40,170 --> 00:09:36,650 there aren't there aren't any 209 00:09:44,590 --> 00:09:40,180 sharp-edged shadow people I've heard of 210 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:44,600 yeah so that's the that's the kicker for 211 00:09:49,330 --> 00:09:47,330 me so it that's a good question so it's 212 00:09:51,430 --> 00:09:49,340 like to ask you know I wish I had that 213 00:09:53,140 --> 00:09:51,440 opportunity but yeah a lot of people are 214 00:09:55,300 --> 00:09:53,150 shy and they'll send an email versus 215 00:09:57,790 --> 00:09:55,310 calling in so it's all good and they get 216 00:09:59,440 --> 00:09:57,800 a lot more I think details even so they 217 00:10:01,450 --> 00:09:59,450 take time to figure this stuff out how 218 00:10:04,870 --> 00:10:01,460 they want to express it so yeah that was 219 00:10:06,820 --> 00:10:04,880 very detailed but it's it's amazing to 220 00:10:10,900 --> 00:10:06,830 have an experience like that and sort of 221 00:10:13,930 --> 00:10:10,910 I mean it's almost it's out of this 222 00:10:17,020 --> 00:10:13,940 world in a way so if you sort of 223 00:10:18,310 --> 00:10:17,030 document get how often it comes what 224 00:10:20,890 --> 00:10:18,320 your mood was what was different about 225 00:10:23,050 --> 00:10:20,900 that day and sort of if you can get a 226 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:23,060 consistency maybe get an idea of how 227 00:10:26,650 --> 00:10:24,530 often this thing is showing up I think 228 00:10:29,260 --> 00:10:26,660 you have a better idea of what it is 229 00:10:31,420 --> 00:10:29,270 yeah it sounded like a one time deal 230 00:10:34,300 --> 00:10:31,430 that that's popped up and she keeps 231 00:10:36,430 --> 00:10:34,310 replaying it in her head so okay alright 232 00:10:39,100 --> 00:10:36,440 tag I'm gonna I'm gonna say what I think 233 00:10:42,460 --> 00:10:39,110 this might have been I don't think it 234 00:10:46,330 --> 00:10:42,470 was a shadow person shadow people have a 235 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:46,340 connection with alien beings but sounded 236 00:10:55,060 --> 00:10:50,690 like some form of you know it's odd to 237 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:55,070 say but it sounded kind of mechanical it 238 00:10:59,830 --> 00:10:57,890 sounded Pro be like but she described it 239 00:11:02,560 --> 00:10:59,840 as having a head with shoulders but with 240 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:02,570 sharp edges that is so so out of this 241 00:11:06,620 --> 00:11:04,490 world I haven't heard of that before and 242 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:06,630 shadow people would give you a sense of 243 00:11:14,809 --> 00:11:11,250 absolute dread aliens more nosey more 244 00:11:16,309 --> 00:11:14,819 inquisitive more yeah taking a peek but 245 00:11:17,509 --> 00:11:16,319 shadow people have been known to do that 246 00:11:20,269 --> 00:11:17,519 as well 247 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:20,279 in which she described this dissipating 248 00:11:25,460 --> 00:11:21,930 green energy that sounds like a 249 00:11:27,340 --> 00:11:25,470 technology once again I'm gonna share a 250 00:11:31,009 --> 00:11:27,350 quick story Tracy this is crazy 251 00:11:33,620 --> 00:11:31,019 but um I had a friend okay they are okay 252 00:11:37,910 --> 00:11:33,630 this is oh this is a roommate at the 253 00:11:39,829 --> 00:11:37,920 time and we had some strange things 254 00:11:40,340 --> 00:11:39,839 going on in the apartment that's just a 255 00:11:44,389 --> 00:11:40,350 given 256 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:44,399 and so that this friend was was Jewish 257 00:11:49,850 --> 00:11:47,610 and put like oh I'm is Lazar or 258 00:11:51,980 --> 00:11:49,860 something on the door to keep negative 259 00:11:53,389 --> 00:11:51,990 things out and because so many things 260 00:11:55,430 --> 00:11:53,399 were just happening it was just so 261 00:11:57,139 --> 00:11:55,440 bizarre so I put this little little 262 00:11:58,879 --> 00:11:57,149 scroll thing of the Ten Commandments or 263 00:12:00,590 --> 00:11:58,889 something on the door or some kind of 264 00:12:06,379 --> 00:12:00,600 blessing I don't know something along 265 00:12:07,819 --> 00:12:06,389 those lines and next day I'm like she's 266 00:12:12,230 --> 00:12:07,829 in the living room watching TV I'm 267 00:12:13,819 --> 00:12:12,240 washing dishes or something and like she 268 00:12:16,999 --> 00:12:13,829 shrieked or something I can't remember 269 00:12:17,449 --> 00:12:17,009 and it's just like oh my god did you see 270 00:12:20,090 --> 00:12:17,459 that 271 00:12:22,999 --> 00:12:20,100 and I'm thinking because we had a rodent 272 00:12:25,639 --> 00:12:23,009 run in this apartment at what it is like 273 00:12:28,759 --> 00:12:25,649 and I heard something hit the bag and 274 00:12:29,269 --> 00:12:28,769 she's streaking like oh my God look and 275 00:12:31,670 --> 00:12:29,279 I'm like 276 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:31,680 turning him like and I saw the big kind 277 00:12:35,449 --> 00:12:33,689 of tumbled over a little bit I'm like oh 278 00:12:38,449 --> 00:12:35,459 my god where'd it go she's like freaked 279 00:12:40,699 --> 00:12:38,459 out paralyzed going no it went down the 280 00:12:42,740 --> 00:12:40,709 hallway and it couldn't get in her 281 00:12:44,449 --> 00:12:42,750 description out night chasing to go see 282 00:12:45,740 --> 00:12:44,459 what the heck it was I'm from the 283 00:12:49,579 --> 00:12:45,750 country I'm not afraid of no little 284 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:49,589 field mice so I'm like looking to see 285 00:12:54,259 --> 00:12:52,050 where this thing went when she finally 286 00:13:01,370 --> 00:12:54,269 calmed down she described to me a 2d 287 00:13:05,749 --> 00:13:01,380 flat very dark brown a square that kind 288 00:13:09,019 --> 00:13:05,759 of came through the door somehow hit the 289 00:13:12,350 --> 00:13:09,029 garbage bag and flattened itself and 290 00:13:14,900 --> 00:13:12,360 went flat down the hall way so a 291 00:13:17,030 --> 00:13:14,910 technology of some sort of probe of some 292 00:13:18,769 --> 00:13:17,040 sort I don't know but when I hear this 293 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:18,779 story from Tracy here it's all I could 294 00:13:24,230 --> 00:13:20,610 think up to being the closest 295 00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:24,240 do it like a 2d thing like you know can 296 00:13:29,449 --> 00:13:27,570 it can it can it slap a triangular head 297 00:13:31,850 --> 00:13:29,459 on it and it make it look like it was 298 00:13:33,650 --> 00:13:31,860 head and shoulders I don't know but this 299 00:13:37,250 --> 00:13:33,660 is a doozy Tracey if I come across 300 00:13:39,230 --> 00:13:37,260 something similar I'll definitely get 301 00:13:42,889 --> 00:13:39,240 back to you let you know that's it that 302 00:13:44,269 --> 00:13:42,899 was a cool one Wow Tracey thanks thanks 303 00:13:48,710 --> 00:13:44,279 so much for writing that one that was 304 00:13:50,660 --> 00:13:48,720 wild okay so I got a big one here okay 305 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:50,670 Brandon oh boy here we go 306 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:54,170 this one says hi Heidi I was absolutely 307 00:13:59,120 --> 00:13:56,730 absolutely ecstatic to hear you on 308 00:14:01,460 --> 00:13:59,130 coast-to-coast am tonight okay that was 309 00:14:04,100 --> 00:14:01,470 a little over a week ago I love hearing 310 00:14:06,230 --> 00:14:04,110 about phenomena which I myself have 311 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:06,240 experienced or at least I think I have 312 00:14:10,009 --> 00:14:08,250 sleep paralysis since I was young girl 313 00:14:11,930 --> 00:14:10,019 for about four or five years I had 314 00:14:15,199 --> 00:14:11,940 recurring nightmares where a very large 315 00:14:17,449 --> 00:14:15,209 dark energy male energy would stand at 316 00:14:19,730 --> 00:14:17,459 the end of my bed grab me by the ankles 317 00:14:22,009 --> 00:14:19,740 and try to pull me off the bed obviously 318 00:14:24,079 --> 00:14:22,019 I was terrified but the problem was that 319 00:14:25,610 --> 00:14:24,089 I was also paralyzed eventually I was 320 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:25,620 struggled to the point where I felt I 321 00:14:30,710 --> 00:14:28,410 must have passed out when I woke up it 322 00:14:33,439 --> 00:14:30,720 was usually daytime and the dark man 323 00:14:36,079 --> 00:14:33,449 quote was gone prior to the dark man 324 00:14:38,389 --> 00:14:36,089 appearing I'd first heard hear footsteps 325 00:14:41,210 --> 00:14:38,399 down the hallway outside my bedroom 326 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:41,220 always seemingly to stop at my door but 327 00:14:46,370 --> 00:14:43,769 the time I was around 15 or 16 the quote 328 00:14:47,930 --> 00:14:46,380 dark man no longer came to my room but I 329 00:14:51,019 --> 00:14:47,940 continued to experience sleep paralysis 330 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:51,029 in fact I still do and I'm 53 years old 331 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:54,570 from about that same age I often tell my 332 00:14:59,420 --> 00:14:56,850 friends that I came from the stars and 333 00:15:01,370 --> 00:14:59,430 that I didn't belong here I always felt 334 00:15:04,220 --> 00:15:01,380 different from everyone else even from 335 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:04,230 the earliest memories there are no baby 336 00:15:09,439 --> 00:15:07,170 pictures of me not until I was five and 337 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:09,449 whenever I asked my mom to describe me 338 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:11,850 as a child you would only ever say you 339 00:15:15,079 --> 00:15:13,170 were just different 340 00:15:16,639 --> 00:15:15,089 mom saying you're ugly baby I'm sorry 341 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:16,649 I'm just kidding 342 00:15:22,970 --> 00:15:19,290 let's go reptilians not too long ago 343 00:15:25,519 --> 00:15:22,980 August 2013 I was attending a past life 344 00:15:28,730 --> 00:15:25,529 regression conference in Vancouver BC 345 00:15:31,189 --> 00:15:28,740 Canada the workshop was led by Brian 346 00:15:33,950 --> 00:15:31,199 Weiss probably one of the world's most 347 00:15:35,750 --> 00:15:33,960 recognized experts on the subject I had 348 00:15:37,790 --> 00:15:35,760 only become interested in subject three 349 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:37,800 months earlier a good friend of mine and 350 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:40,650 yours okay Robin 351 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:44,730 introduced me to some of Brian's books 352 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:47,250 which really really intrigued me I then 353 00:15:51,980 --> 00:15:49,650 I found out that as luck would have it 354 00:15:53,450 --> 00:15:51,990 he was coming to Vancouver a short drive 355 00:15:56,900 --> 00:15:53,460 from my current home just a few months 356 00:16:00,470 --> 00:15:56,910 away from first exposure to his works I 357 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:00,480 went and along with about 1000 others 358 00:16:05,810 --> 00:16:03,450 got to experience four regressions all 359 00:16:09,620 --> 00:16:05,820 led by dr. Weiss Wow can you imagine all 360 00:16:11,300 --> 00:16:09,630 that going on at once whoo-hoo and wild 361 00:16:14,750 --> 00:16:11,310 that sounds like I never did doing a 362 00:16:17,900 --> 00:16:14,760 regression that sounds like hate yeah I 363 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:17,910 think so it says that I sat in the front 364 00:16:22,940 --> 00:16:20,250 row and was completely transfixed by dr. 365 00:16:25,130 --> 00:16:22,950 Weiss and by the process of regression 366 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:25,140 everything was going great I mean that I 367 00:16:28,670 --> 00:16:27,090 was really having amazing regression 368 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:28,680 it's including a rebirth experience 369 00:16:33,770 --> 00:16:31,530 which I'll never forget my bed however 370 00:16:36,590 --> 00:16:33,780 things suddenly went sideways on the 371 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:36,600 last regression as dr. Weiss spoke to 372 00:16:40,370 --> 00:16:38,130 the audience and set up the final 373 00:16:43,220 --> 00:16:40,380 regression he told us to ask the person 374 00:16:45,410 --> 00:16:43,230 next to us for our personal object of 375 00:16:48,050 --> 00:16:45,420 theirs the lady next to me was an 376 00:16:49,490 --> 00:16:48,060 elderly woman from st. Louis she and I 377 00:16:51,260 --> 00:16:49,500 had been chatting for most of the 378 00:16:53,660 --> 00:16:51,270 conference so I felt comfortable asking 379 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:53,670 for something personal she thought about 380 00:16:57,170 --> 00:16:55,410 it for a few minutes then unhooked a 381 00:16:59,150 --> 00:16:57,180 chain from her neck the necklace was 382 00:17:02,270 --> 00:16:59,160 long silver chain with medium sized 383 00:17:05,420 --> 00:17:02,280 links with a huge cross with Jesus on it 384 00:17:06,980 --> 00:17:05,430 the typical crucifixion posture I placed 385 00:17:09,650 --> 00:17:06,990 it in the palm of my left hand close my 386 00:17:11,810 --> 00:17:09,660 close my hand then my eyes waiting for 387 00:17:13,970 --> 00:17:11,820 dr. Rice's regression instructions 388 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:13,980 within a few moments of him speaking to 389 00:17:19,460 --> 00:17:16,250 the crowd guiding us into a trance a 390 00:17:24,260 --> 00:17:19,470 meditative state to my utter horror I 391 00:17:29,090 --> 00:17:24,270 quote saw that my left hand had morphed 392 00:17:33,290 --> 00:17:29,100 into a reptilian like hand oh oh oh this 393 00:17:36,650 --> 00:17:33,300 is a good one Brandon it was it was very 394 00:17:40,010 --> 00:17:36,660 large the color was a brilliant 395 00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:40,020 iridescent green with blue and yellow 396 00:17:47,810 --> 00:17:43,740 tones as well the hand had huge talent 397 00:17:50,390 --> 00:17:47,820 like claws 2 to 3 inches long my armless 398 00:17:53,510 --> 00:17:50,400 scaled up to my elbow in my entire leg 399 00:17:56,690 --> 00:17:53,520 and foot which my hand was resting upon 400 00:18:00,560 --> 00:17:56,700 was of the same scaly texture also 401 00:18:02,990 --> 00:18:00,570 brilliant green blue the palm of my hand 402 00:18:06,790 --> 00:18:03,000 where the necklace crucifix is resting 403 00:18:08,090 --> 00:18:06,800 was sitting in a pool of dark red blood 404 00:18:10,550 --> 00:18:08,100 ha 405 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:10,560 I was so rattled after this experience I 406 00:18:14,810 --> 00:18:12,690 didn't really know how to express what 407 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:14,820 had happened after the regression I 408 00:18:18,770 --> 00:18:16,770 immediately got up from my seat to look 409 00:18:20,750 --> 00:18:18,780 for the restroom after using the 410 00:18:23,060 --> 00:18:20,760 washroom I walked back to my speed seat 411 00:18:24,590 --> 00:18:23,070 speaking to no one as I sat down across 412 00:18:27,650 --> 00:18:24,600 my legs odd I have it and felt a 413 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:27,660 stinging sensation across my lower left 414 00:18:34,190 --> 00:18:30,690 leg I looked at my leg and saw a very 415 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:34,200 fresh gash four to six inches long a 416 00:18:40,550 --> 00:18:38,250 quarter inch wide on a steep angle from 417 00:18:43,310 --> 00:18:40,560 one side of the lake to the other it 418 00:18:47,180 --> 00:18:43,320 really hurt and I was at a complete loss 419 00:18:49,610 --> 00:18:47,190 as to how it got there who it took me a 420 00:18:52,070 --> 00:18:49,620 long long time to feel okay after this 421 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:52,080 event and plunge me into a kind of mini 422 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:54,810 depression something extremely rare for 423 00:18:58,670 --> 00:18:56,490 me after speaking with Robin a few 424 00:19:02,360 --> 00:18:58,680 others I trusted it became apparent that 425 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:02,370 I hadn't protected myself first prior to 426 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:04,530 being regressed I had not even 427 00:19:08,780 --> 00:19:06,330 considered that I wouldn't need 428 00:19:12,590 --> 00:19:08,790 protection for myself in these 429 00:19:14,780 --> 00:19:12,600 situations from what I asked now I know 430 00:19:17,870 --> 00:19:14,790 this past September October I consulted 431 00:19:19,850 --> 00:19:17,880 a man named Michael he performed several 432 00:19:22,820 --> 00:19:19,860 clearings on myself at home he 433 00:19:25,940 --> 00:19:22,830 identified chords which would need to be 434 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:25,950 cut as well as two non earthbound 435 00:19:30,020 --> 00:19:28,050 entities and one earthbound entity 436 00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:30,030 Michael never tells the client when the 437 00:19:33,860 --> 00:19:32,130 clearing is going to happen he sends a 438 00:19:36,530 --> 00:19:33,870 follow-up email once he has completed 439 00:19:38,510 --> 00:19:36,540 the remote clearing one afternoon he a 440 00:19:40,910 --> 00:19:38,520 few days after I signed up for my 441 00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:40,920 clearing I expected a dark cloud 442 00:19:46,370 --> 00:19:44,000 oh I experienced a dark cloud of energy 443 00:19:49,670 --> 00:19:46,380 approximately half the size of my body 444 00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:49,680 leaving my body and floating up into the 445 00:19:53,780 --> 00:19:52,080 ceiling above my head many other bizarre 446 00:19:55,850 --> 00:19:53,790 things happen that day but the dark 447 00:19:58,550 --> 00:19:55,860 cloud leaving my body was by far the 448 00:20:00,080 --> 00:19:58,560 most interesting after the clearing I 449 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:00,090 felt a lot better but not 450 00:20:04,850 --> 00:20:02,250 completely free of a Dark Presence which 451 00:20:08,060 --> 00:20:04,860 had become somewhat of a dark shadow 452 00:20:10,010 --> 00:20:08,070 energy to me ever since the past life 453 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:10,020 regression conference a week later I 454 00:20:13,940 --> 00:20:11,970 went to a weekend clearing retreat which 455 00:20:15,740 --> 00:20:13,950 was very very powerful and I can 456 00:20:17,570 --> 00:20:15,750 honestly say that the dark energy that 457 00:20:20,090 --> 00:20:17,580 had dog my world for more than a year 458 00:20:22,010 --> 00:20:20,100 was completely gone however lately I'm 459 00:20:24,110 --> 00:20:22,020 experiencing energy beings of 460 00:20:25,820 --> 00:20:24,120 questionable motives so I guess I need 461 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:25,830 to develop some more protection 462 00:20:30,110 --> 00:20:27,450 strategies my spiritual beliefs are 463 00:20:32,419 --> 00:20:30,120 mixed I believe in an afterlife past 464 00:20:35,690 --> 00:20:32,429 lives aliens as possibly a 465 00:20:38,510 --> 00:20:35,700 representation of our alter egos evil as 466 00:20:40,580 --> 00:20:38,520 possibly one facet of love a universal 467 00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:40,590 field of possibilities co-creation and 468 00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:43,919 love is God that's my story I'd love to 469 00:20:49,100 --> 00:20:45,360 know what you think thank you so much 470 00:20:53,899 --> 00:20:49,110 for sharing your stories hugs and gee 471 00:20:56,090 --> 00:20:53,909 Wow Wow we went from sleep paralysis to 472 00:20:58,220 --> 00:20:56,100 past life regression to dark cloud of 473 00:21:03,799 --> 00:20:58,230 energy wow that was a lot coming on 474 00:21:06,919 --> 00:21:03,809 there go for you go for it Brandon well 475 00:21:08,029 --> 00:21:06,929 I am I actually suffered I haven't had 476 00:21:10,580 --> 00:21:08,039 in a while but I used to suffer from 477 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:10,590 sleep paralysis as well I used to see a 478 00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:12,210 dark kind of like she mentioned like a 479 00:21:16,039 --> 00:21:13,919 dark shadow figure coming at me and I 480 00:21:18,529 --> 00:21:16,049 couldn't move and I would try to scream 481 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:18,539 and I couldn't talk sleep paralysis is 482 00:21:24,169 --> 00:21:21,570 terrifying I don't know what happened I 483 00:21:25,789 --> 00:21:24,179 I just sort of stopped having them I 484 00:21:28,430 --> 00:21:25,799 don't know if it was stress-related or 485 00:21:33,070 --> 00:21:28,440 what but I definitely feel the pain when 486 00:21:36,860 --> 00:21:35,180 you know you speak it to the shadow 487 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:36,870 people guru right 488 00:21:41,889 --> 00:21:39,330 yeah well psychological demons probably 489 00:21:46,190 --> 00:21:41,899 that's for sure 490 00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:46,200 but what happens during a regression is 491 00:21:50,899 --> 00:21:49,200 it like a hypnosis type situation or is 492 00:21:51,820 --> 00:21:50,909 it like meditation because she kept 493 00:21:54,769 --> 00:21:51,830 saying 494 00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:54,779 regressions I kept thinking going on is 495 00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:58,080 he like yeah it's like to get him to a 496 00:22:02,450 --> 00:22:00,000 relaxed state so they can more easily 497 00:22:04,820 --> 00:22:02,460 recall from whence they came or what 498 00:22:08,299 --> 00:22:04,830 took place during an event things like 499 00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:08,309 that it sounds it ah yeah it almost 500 00:22:11,539 --> 00:22:10,110 seems like you know Carl yeah you know 501 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:11,549 have you ever heard of Carl Jung yes 502 00:22:14,970 --> 00:22:12,250 yeah 503 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:14,980 he did a lot on collective unconscious 504 00:22:19,620 --> 00:22:18,250 and archetypes and things like that it 505 00:22:22,260 --> 00:22:19,630 almost seems like she sort of tapped 506 00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:22,270 into a an archetype here with the 507 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:24,400 reptilian and with that thing it seemed 508 00:22:29,910 --> 00:22:26,050 like that somehow surfaced during this 509 00:22:33,150 --> 00:22:29,920 regression that's what I would that's 510 00:22:36,510 --> 00:22:33,160 where I would explore that yeah you know 511 00:22:39,390 --> 00:22:36,520 obviously she believes that there was 512 00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:39,400 something mystical about her childhood 513 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:43,840 which no one is telling her but I would 514 00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:45,970 say that during these regressions in 515 00:22:48,750 --> 00:22:47,440 meditative state she might have tapped 516 00:22:51,390 --> 00:22:48,760 into something like collectively 517 00:22:53,580 --> 00:22:51,400 unconscious and archetype wise that sort 518 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:53,590 of came up that reptilian or that snake 519 00:23:00,570 --> 00:22:55,090 because that's one of Jung's biggest 520 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:00,580 archetypes is the snake yeah hey I have 521 00:23:04,860 --> 00:23:02,410 to give it a brain for trying to tackle 522 00:23:08,930 --> 00:23:04,870 it if that's a big juicy multifaceted 523 00:23:12,260 --> 00:23:08,940 one here you know usually I get the 524 00:23:15,180 --> 00:23:12,270 shadow people happen and type of stuff 525 00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:15,190 I've been getting a lot more of a 526 00:23:19,710 --> 00:23:17,110 mixture as of late and it's it's kind of 527 00:23:22,020 --> 00:23:19,720 cool it's interesting she brought up 528 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:22,030 past life regression here yeah I live in 529 00:23:24,780 --> 00:23:23,650 Ohio and there was a place down the 530 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:24,790 street that was doing that a couple 531 00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:27,010 weeks ago and I mean I really want to go 532 00:23:29,940 --> 00:23:28,480 to this past life regression just to see 533 00:23:32,460 --> 00:23:29,950 what it's like and I ended up not 534 00:23:34,410 --> 00:23:32,470 knowing but now if I would have had so 535 00:23:37,140 --> 00:23:34,420 much more to add for this conversation 536 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:37,150 oh it's all good so all right I'm gonna 537 00:23:43,100 --> 00:23:39,970 tackle it so this this this reptilian 538 00:23:46,830 --> 00:23:43,110 thing that's actually a pretty common 539 00:23:49,470 --> 00:23:46,840 thing that people either witness or 540 00:23:54,270 --> 00:23:49,480 experience for themselves it's seeing a 541 00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:54,280 revelation of reptiles I slay stacks 542 00:24:00,540 --> 00:23:58,090 whatever you want to call them it's such 543 00:24:02,190 --> 00:24:00,550 a such a strange thing but I've met many 544 00:24:04,290 --> 00:24:02,200 people I've received many emails for 545 00:24:06,030 --> 00:24:04,300 people who are like you know I was 546 00:24:09,300 --> 00:24:06,040 sitting there talking to my friend Susie 547 00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:09,310 and I look in Susie's like standing 548 00:24:13,530 --> 00:24:11,710 there but well this thing is wearing her 549 00:24:16,020 --> 00:24:13,540 clothes I hear her voice but it's all 550 00:24:19,020 --> 00:24:16,030 reptile and and it's just like the 551 00:24:22,980 --> 00:24:19,030 strangest thing or seeing somebody's 552 00:24:25,260 --> 00:24:22,990 feet changed into big claws and then 553 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:25,270 it's like well I don't think that these 554 00:24:29,460 --> 00:24:28,330 people are always so readily aware but 555 00:24:32,340 --> 00:24:29,470 then other times I think they are 556 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:32,350 because when they start to kind of morph 557 00:24:37,530 --> 00:24:34,450 in and out and if you got that drop jaw 558 00:24:39,570 --> 00:24:37,540 look they kind of go and they they they 559 00:24:41,610 --> 00:24:39,580 might turn around real quick or and 560 00:24:44,970 --> 00:24:41,620 we've seen newscasters even do that 561 00:24:48,210 --> 00:24:44,980 there's a whole slew if you if you go 562 00:24:49,980 --> 00:24:48,220 into YouTube and say you know reptile 563 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:49,990 news reporter or something it's a bunch 564 00:24:54,150 --> 00:24:51,490 of them where they start to kind of 565 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:54,160 change on camera and if some of them 566 00:24:59,340 --> 00:24:55,810 seem to realize and they grab their face 567 00:25:01,920 --> 00:24:59,350 it's so weird what is going on with that 568 00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:01,930 it I am not always certain but when you 569 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:04,720 when you talk about this dark cloud 570 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:07,210 having left you and you feel like it's 571 00:25:12,780 --> 00:25:10,210 fully gone I have heard of people 572 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:12,790 claiming to kind of be possessed by 573 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:14,770 alien beings go figure 574 00:25:19,950 --> 00:25:17,170 but it's something that's truly going on 575 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:19,960 and I would suggest listening to a show 576 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:22,210 that I did with Kathleen Mardon 577 00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:26,050 ma rden she's the niece of Betty and 578 00:25:30,750 --> 00:25:28,510 Barney Hill and if you go to inception 579 00:25:33,690 --> 00:25:30,760 Radio Network tune into that one because 580 00:25:36,270 --> 00:25:33,700 she kind of discusses that to some 581 00:25:38,100 --> 00:25:36,280 extent we got into the juicy bits of it 582 00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:38,110 and it's the solo interview that's dish 583 00:25:43,890 --> 00:25:41,440 she and I did there was one that I at 584 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:43,900 she did with Stanton Friedman it's not 585 00:25:50,610 --> 00:25:48,010 that that's the other one so so I it's 586 00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:50,620 it's something that is happening to 587 00:25:55,260 --> 00:25:53,440 people and what triggers it what opens 588 00:25:56,970 --> 00:25:55,270 it yeah it could have been because he 589 00:25:59,520 --> 00:25:56,980 went into that meditative state your 590 00:26:02,190 --> 00:25:59,530 your guard was down something said oh 591 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:02,200 how about that let me go take a look and 592 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:05,170 slide on in there and how can I say 593 00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:06,970 people feel they're looking through the 594 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:10,240 eyes of an alien being and they'll see 595 00:26:15,540 --> 00:26:12,730 their alien body and though it's not 596 00:26:16,050 --> 00:26:15,550 their own - and it's like well what is 597 00:26:18,300 --> 00:26:16,060 that about 598 00:26:21,630 --> 00:26:18,310 you know tapping into something for sure 599 00:26:23,910 --> 00:26:21,640 sounds like what you did as far as the 600 00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:23,920 sleep paralysis thing it sounds like 601 00:26:27,930 --> 00:26:25,840 Brandon is in the belief of the sleep 602 00:26:32,660 --> 00:26:27,940 paralysis being a psychological thing 603 00:26:35,370 --> 00:26:32,670 I'm on the demon side so these things I 604 00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:35,380 personally I think that these things 605 00:26:41,730 --> 00:26:39,370 like to suck the energy the fear out of 606 00:26:43,710 --> 00:26:41,740 it's if people all describe the same 607 00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:43,720 thing and and people that have not met 608 00:26:48,860 --> 00:26:45,520 each other and I'm the person that's 609 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:48,870 collected these all for 20 more years 610 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:52,450 about happy had shadow people and so 611 00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:54,250 many times people are like I thought I 612 00:26:57,419 --> 00:26:55,809 was the only one you know and they're 613 00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:57,429 describing the exact same thing and it's 614 00:27:05,010 --> 00:27:00,720 like it can can we all just suddenly be 615 00:27:07,769 --> 00:27:05,020 having this great sense of imagination 616 00:27:09,659 --> 00:27:07,779 to think oh it's that you know that 617 00:27:10,740 --> 00:27:09,669 we're all connected we got the psychic 618 00:27:12,990 --> 00:27:10,750 link going on and we're all just 619 00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:13,000 happened to be able to form that I'm of 620 00:27:16,889 --> 00:27:14,710 the opinion that no there's something 621 00:27:18,659 --> 00:27:16,899 sinister going on because people will be 622 00:27:21,330 --> 00:27:18,669 wide awake and see these same things as 623 00:27:25,139 --> 00:27:21,340 well such as my first several 624 00:27:28,169 --> 00:27:25,149 experiences no fun watching it chase 625 00:27:30,570 --> 00:27:28,179 myself and one and one of my friends 626 00:27:33,419 --> 00:27:30,580 really crazy broad daylight 627 00:27:35,370 --> 00:27:33,429 I wasn't sleeping and it's the same 628 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:35,380 thing creeping into people's bedrooms at 629 00:27:40,620 --> 00:27:39,010 night so yeah not cool but you know the 630 00:27:42,659 --> 00:27:40,630 the past life regression thing 631 00:27:44,490 --> 00:27:42,669 absolutely cool that's something I would 632 00:27:47,070 --> 00:27:44,500 like to do or I have not been an easy 633 00:27:49,019 --> 00:27:47,080 person to hypnotize I would love to try 634 00:27:50,820 --> 00:27:49,029 it again and see what happens but I 635 00:27:53,220 --> 00:27:50,830 never tried for a past life I remember 636 00:27:57,539 --> 00:27:53,230 enough without it but I still would like 637 00:28:01,200 --> 00:27:57,549 to well Brandon this was a this is 638 00:28:04,889 --> 00:28:01,210 really juicy I swear it's like I I just 639 00:28:07,260 --> 00:28:04,899 I'm really wow I was hoping that I get a 640 00:28:09,419 --> 00:28:07,270 nice mix but that was pretty good 641 00:28:11,220 --> 00:28:09,429 everybody had a lot of time and effort 642 00:28:13,409 --> 00:28:11,230 into those emails I mean that that was 643 00:28:15,690 --> 00:28:13,419 yeah those were really detailed and then 644 00:28:17,220 --> 00:28:15,700 kudos to them for sitting down and 645 00:28:19,230 --> 00:28:17,230 writing all that down it's really all 646 00:28:21,269 --> 00:28:19,240 right I have a few hundred more to get 647 00:28:27,630 --> 00:28:21,279 through but I'm just not I'm run out of 648 00:28:30,510 --> 00:28:27,640 time I don't know it's just like every 649 00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:30,520 time I think I've got no I just no I 650 00:28:36,779 --> 00:28:33,279 have not but you know one thing I have 651 00:28:41,639 --> 00:28:36,789 to tell this this Tracy and the hoesley 652 00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:41,649 initials M G for writing in you know 653 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:45,360 part of educating people and part of 654 00:28:50,669 --> 00:28:48,610 strength building is sharing your story 655 00:28:52,290 --> 00:28:50,679 against all odds if somebody cracks a 656 00:28:54,660 --> 00:28:52,300 smile or laugh even I laughed 657 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:54,670 myself so the stuff I've experienced but 658 00:28:58,740 --> 00:28:56,050 that's just life and that's just how 659 00:29:00,180 --> 00:28:58,750 things are but let people laugh let's my 660 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:00,190 land smirk but guess what 661 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:02,770 women and if they have something weird 662 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:04,330 going on in their life you'll be the 663 00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:07,930 first person they will call so you're 664 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:09,910 gonna be the beacon of light whether you 665 00:29:14,580 --> 00:29:12,730 like it or not and you know this is this 666 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:14,590 is part of growing up in this 667 00:29:19,530 --> 00:29:17,890 paranormally charged world so good you 668 00:29:21,770 --> 00:29:19,540 got to get that out you got a vented you 669 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:21,780 can't keep that in that's what this in 670 00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:24,250 psychology I can't keep those emotions 671 00:29:28,410 --> 00:29:26,710 and thoughts and issues inside indeed 672 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:28,420 indeed so you guys we're gonna 673 00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:30,850 officially introduce the guests that's 674 00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:32,710 been helping me out here and we're gonna 675 00:29:35,850 --> 00:29:34,240 go to our first break you listen to me 676 00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:35,860 Heidi Hollis the Outlander and we will 677 00:29:42,780 --> 00:29:41,070 welcome back everybody you're listening 678 00:29:44,790 --> 00:29:42,790 to me how do you house the Outlander 679 00:29:47,310 --> 00:29:44,800 remembering always if it's weird we're 680 00:29:49,020 --> 00:29:47,320 here we're giving you advice and insight 681 00:29:50,490 --> 00:29:49,030 on that ledge of topics phone lines are 682 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:50,500 always open white and eight eight eight 683 00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:52,210 nine one nine twenty three fifty five 684 00:29:57,390 --> 00:29:55,840 and now I get to officially introduce 685 00:30:01,620 --> 00:29:57,400 the mysterious voice you heard in the 686 00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:01,630 first section Brandon my solo I said it 687 00:30:06,030 --> 00:30:03,760 wrong is a clinical therapist and pair 688 00:30:08,820 --> 00:30:06,040 of psychologists residing in Northeast 689 00:30:12,180 --> 00:30:08,830 Ohio while studying at the University of 690 00:30:14,370 --> 00:30:12,190 Edinburgh Castle ur parapsychology unit 691 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:14,380 he conducted research which centred on 692 00:30:21,780 --> 00:30:17,770 how the neurobiological correlates with 693 00:30:27,690 --> 00:30:21,790 ghostly encounters whoa everybody give a 694 00:30:34,050 --> 00:30:27,700 round of applause to Brandon oh yeah you 695 00:30:35,730 --> 00:30:34,060 got it brand new book ghost Lee studies 696 00:30:38,490 --> 00:30:35,740 or go studies what is that go sleep 697 00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:38,500 ghostly studies there go study but ghost 698 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:42,910 studies okay yeah and so two people okay 699 00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:45,370 your clinical therapist I just find that 700 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:47,200 a fascinating I I'm an occupational 701 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:49,210 therapist my eye specialist like 702 00:30:55,980 --> 00:30:54,010 psychology and I just I think it's so 703 00:30:59,130 --> 00:30:55,990 fascinating that you combine the two 704 00:31:01,380 --> 00:30:59,140 that you did so do you have a lot of 705 00:31:03,870 --> 00:31:01,390 paranormally charged people come and 706 00:31:05,330 --> 00:31:03,880 looking for you you know I actually I 707 00:31:07,730 --> 00:31:05,340 haven't 708 00:31:10,220 --> 00:31:07,740 what I know I know well the book just 709 00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:10,230 came out so yeah you know maybe when 710 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:14,240 word gets around but you know i-i-i 711 00:31:19,970 --> 00:31:16,770 majority of my clinical work has been I 712 00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:19,980 did residential treatment and a 713 00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:21,840 substance abuse facility for a while and 714 00:31:27,140 --> 00:31:25,200 then I did outpatient counseling and 715 00:31:29,630 --> 00:31:27,150 then I worked in an emergency room doing 716 00:31:31,370 --> 00:31:29,640 psychological evaluations for about six 717 00:31:36,290 --> 00:31:31,380 or seven years for a local hospital here 718 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:36,300 so I would get the consult on in the ER 719 00:31:40,030 --> 00:31:38,250 or medical floors if people were having 720 00:31:43,070 --> 00:31:40,040 problems with depression and anxiety 721 00:31:46,900 --> 00:31:43,080 substance abuse even psychosis all that 722 00:31:50,210 --> 00:31:46,910 so I was doing like got three to four 723 00:31:54,790 --> 00:31:50,220 behavioral health consults a day so I've 724 00:31:59,390 --> 00:31:54,800 done probably 5,000 in my lifetime and 725 00:32:01,340 --> 00:31:59,400 usually I will get someone you know 726 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:01,350 talking about ghosts ghosts and things 727 00:32:05,450 --> 00:32:04,170 like that but a lot of the encounters 728 00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:05,460 that I got from my book weren't 729 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:07,200 necessarily from patients it was more 730 00:32:11,450 --> 00:32:09,930 from outside of that because I lived in 731 00:32:13,370 --> 00:32:11,460 Scotland for a year and if you've ever 732 00:32:15,530 --> 00:32:13,380 been to Scotland everyone has a ghost 733 00:32:18,670 --> 00:32:15,540 story in Scotland so did she have a 734 00:32:21,470 --> 00:32:18,680 translator they've got a strong accent 735 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:21,480 it took about four weeks 736 00:32:25,910 --> 00:32:23,610 well I struggled that first month I 737 00:32:27,530 --> 00:32:25,920 really did but after that I started 738 00:32:29,510 --> 00:32:27,540 picking it up pretty quickly and you you 739 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:29,520 kind of get used to it if you see I mean 740 00:32:35,810 --> 00:32:34,290 every day all day you can't no no don't 741 00:32:38,540 --> 00:32:35,820 catch on you're gonna fall to the 742 00:32:40,340 --> 00:32:38,550 wayside yeah well I lived in Australia 743 00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:40,350 for a bit night just giggled all day it 744 00:32:50,780 --> 00:32:46,710 was like British boys just fine so Wow 745 00:32:52,610 --> 00:32:50,790 so yeah you know I I think that I I 746 00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:52,620 don't know I find that a lot more people 747 00:32:57,650 --> 00:32:54,720 are opening up to the possibilities of 748 00:32:59,720 --> 00:32:57,660 the paranormal and I feel like there's a 749 00:33:02,150 --> 00:32:59,730 big need for people like yourself who 750 00:33:05,540 --> 00:33:02,160 have a good understanding and what you 751 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:05,550 do I'm shocked that there haven't been 752 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:07,770 more that are like googling you up I 753 00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:10,170 hope that it does change soon because 754 00:33:15,740 --> 00:33:13,760 gosh you're needed actually in in 755 00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:15,750 parapsychology there's there's actually 756 00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:17,220 I don't know if I consider it a branch 757 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:18,720 of it or not but it's called clinical 758 00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:19,170 pear 759 00:33:23,900 --> 00:33:22,110 psychology and that's really a lot of 760 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:23,910 practitioners who are getting into sort 761 00:33:30,260 --> 00:33:27,690 of specializing and counseling are 762 00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:30,270 helping people through paranormal events 763 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:32,310 that somewhat are distressing for people 764 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:35,130 so you know if you start getting you 765 00:33:42,380 --> 00:33:39,090 know premonitions or clairvoyance or you 766 00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:42,390 start having some ESP or SCI abilities 767 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:43,980 it's a lot for people to wrap their 768 00:33:49,490 --> 00:33:45,570 heads around they start thinking like 769 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:49,500 they're going crazy they you know so the 770 00:33:53,690 --> 00:33:51,090 clinical parapsychology really deals 771 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:53,700 with counseling and help for people who 772 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:55,410 are going through paranormal phenomena 773 00:33:58,880 --> 00:33:57,210 that's causing some distress there's 774 00:34:00,830 --> 00:33:58,890 text books on it there's a lot of 775 00:34:03,530 --> 00:34:00,840 research and journal papers on it so 776 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:03,540 that's actually getting I wants him yet 777 00:34:08,030 --> 00:34:06,570 more popular in the last 5-10 years so 778 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:08,040 there are some practitioners who sort of 779 00:34:13,850 --> 00:34:10,770 specialize in that that's amazing 780 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:13,860 you know what was wild to me I'm from 781 00:34:18,530 --> 00:34:15,450 Milwaukee Wisconsin originally though 782 00:34:22,610 --> 00:34:18,540 I'm here in Chicago and I got contacted 783 00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:22,620 by a crisis center for the the state der 784 00:34:29,930 --> 00:34:26,730 the city of Wisconsin to put me down 785 00:34:33,350 --> 00:34:29,940 as a crisis person to contact in case of 786 00:34:36,380 --> 00:34:33,360 alien abductions ghostly phenomena I was 787 00:34:40,220 --> 00:34:36,390 like wow yeah sure put my name down it 788 00:34:41,780 --> 00:34:40,230 was it was wild it was really wild yeah 789 00:34:43,130 --> 00:34:41,790 but I thought well would it open mind 790 00:34:46,940 --> 00:34:43,140 and that was twenty years ago you know 791 00:34:48,860 --> 00:34:46,950 I'm like oh yeah I was really moved that 792 00:34:50,450 --> 00:34:48,870 you know there are some areas that are 793 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:50,460 open to that and realize they'll come 794 00:34:54,830 --> 00:34:52,650 across that but a serious question to 795 00:34:59,380 --> 00:34:54,840 ask you because I work around a lotta 796 00:35:02,360 --> 00:34:59,390 mentally ill or mood disorders folks and 797 00:35:05,690 --> 00:35:02,370 sometimes sometimes I've come across 798 00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:05,700 people that wow they're just really on 799 00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:08,910 top of it for paranormal stuff going on 800 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:10,800 and like god that fits right in the hole 801 00:35:14,930 --> 00:35:12,930 what have you come across some of your 802 00:35:16,670 --> 00:35:14,940 patients that are like maybe they're 803 00:35:18,770 --> 00:35:16,680 just a little bit too in touch then 804 00:35:20,540 --> 00:35:18,780 maybe they're not as far gone or maybe 805 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:20,550 they saw too much and they couldn't 806 00:35:27,890 --> 00:35:22,290 handle it I mean have you come across 807 00:35:29,780 --> 00:35:27,900 that um I think sometimes usually a lot 808 00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:29,790 of patients I saw in the ER were pretty 809 00:35:34,910 --> 00:35:32,910 crisis level so they were pretty pretty 810 00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:34,920 psychotic and overwhelmed with their 811 00:35:40,370 --> 00:35:37,680 symptoms usually when I would talk to 812 00:35:42,410 --> 00:35:40,380 teenagers because the part of the ER was 813 00:35:44,299 --> 00:35:42,420 it was assessing teenagers and young 814 00:35:46,339 --> 00:35:44,309 adults too you would really sometimes 815 00:35:49,150 --> 00:35:46,349 get to where they were having a lot of 816 00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:49,160 these phenomenon that you know really 817 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:51,089 couldn't be explained 818 00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:53,970 you know rationally so occasionally you 819 00:35:57,079 --> 00:35:54,960 start to think well maybe they are 820 00:35:58,940 --> 00:35:57,089 picking something up or maybe there is 821 00:36:00,380 --> 00:35:58,950 something else going on because one of 822 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:00,390 the standard questions you always ask 823 00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:02,970 and an emergency room assessment is do 824 00:36:06,799 --> 00:36:04,529 you here see anything that other people 825 00:36:10,789 --> 00:36:06,809 don't hear see so that could be a loaded 826 00:36:14,089 --> 00:36:10,799 question for somebody who you know has 827 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:14,099 you know issues has ghosts in her house 828 00:36:20,660 --> 00:36:17,130 or feels like their house is haunted you 829 00:36:23,150 --> 00:36:20,670 know a lab coat asking you psych 830 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:23,160 questions and you're gonna start yeah 831 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:24,930 am I gonna tell them I have a high I 832 00:36:30,140 --> 00:36:28,890 have a ghost in my house so I know I 833 00:36:32,749 --> 00:36:30,150 find this hilarious 834 00:36:34,460 --> 00:36:32,759 I've had a concussion okay and I've been 835 00:36:37,789 --> 00:36:34,470 asked that question with so many times 836 00:36:39,740 --> 00:36:37,799 and I'm like oh hold on and I'm like I 837 00:36:42,740 --> 00:36:39,750 just so happen to have one of my books 838 00:36:47,569 --> 00:36:42,750 on me at the time like I said you can't 839 00:36:50,269 --> 00:36:47,579 ask me that yeah look I mean this is 840 00:36:52,490 --> 00:36:50,279 what I do and and it's like I hope I 841 00:36:53,839 --> 00:36:52,500 don't have any crazy psych diagnoses 842 00:36:56,660 --> 00:36:53,849 floating around out there 843 00:36:58,789 --> 00:36:56,670 but you know I have to ask you Brandon 844 00:37:01,730 --> 00:36:58,799 is this your real name Brandon myself my 845 00:37:04,279 --> 00:37:01,740 soul oh yeah okay okay so welcome to the 846 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:04,289 fold and God help you if your patients 847 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:06,210 Google you because I haven't met with 848 00:37:13,579 --> 00:37:11,130 that yeah well I'm not I'm not as I'm 849 00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:13,589 not as famous as you so hopefully oh 850 00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:17,579 it'll happen it's it's just a thing it's 851 00:37:22,700 --> 00:37:20,160 bit that that people do you're walking 852 00:37:24,829 --> 00:37:22,710 into a new job whatever they googled you 853 00:37:26,210 --> 00:37:24,839 and I'm thinking oh I'm in the clear 854 00:37:28,490 --> 00:37:26,220 they wouldn't Google me why would they 855 00:37:34,370 --> 00:37:28,500 Google and they're like so tell us about 856 00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:34,380 the demons you fact about start laughing 857 00:37:38,180 --> 00:37:36,240 and it's just like what wait I have 858 00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:38,190 questions I'm like oh my goodness so 859 00:37:42,589 --> 00:37:40,529 yeah it's not it's never been to my 860 00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:42,599 detriment that's for sure but oh it 861 00:37:46,660 --> 00:37:44,609 leads to interesting conversations 862 00:37:49,390 --> 00:37:46,670 that's for sure 863 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:49,400 usually I think I think you're right 864 00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:50,930 most people before they see someone they 865 00:37:54,910 --> 00:37:53,599 usually Google them in some fact so 866 00:37:56,289 --> 00:37:54,920 maybe that makes them feel more 867 00:37:58,359 --> 00:37:56,299 comfortable if they have these 868 00:38:00,640 --> 00:37:58,369 paranormal phenomenon knowing that I 869 00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:00,650 studied parapsychology and I'm more open 870 00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:03,730 to it maybe then the typical person 871 00:38:09,579 --> 00:38:06,609 counselor or psychologist or whatever 872 00:38:11,710 --> 00:38:09,589 truly thank goodness okay it's funneling 873 00:38:13,269 --> 00:38:11,720 people your way you know I apologize and 874 00:38:15,220 --> 00:38:13,279 sing your title of your book wrong I 875 00:38:17,859 --> 00:38:15,230 mean this is your first book the ghost 876 00:38:21,309 --> 00:38:17,869 studies and you know there's been so 877 00:38:23,799 --> 00:38:21,319 many books written on ghosts but yours 878 00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:23,809 is very different 879 00:38:29,579 --> 00:38:26,960 do tell because you're going from an 880 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:29,589 ankle I don't think I've seen before 881 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:32,210 yeah I like to think it's really 882 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:36,410 different um you know I've been a fan of 883 00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:38,930 the paranormal for 20 years and one of 884 00:38:42,460 --> 00:38:41,119 the things that there's a lot of great 885 00:38:44,650 --> 00:38:42,470 books out there there's no doubt about 886 00:38:47,740 --> 00:38:44,660 it but one of the things that in this 887 00:38:50,289 --> 00:38:47,750 book is I actually you know I give a 888 00:38:51,309 --> 00:38:50,299 little bit more it's its ghost stories 889 00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:51,319 but then there's a little bit of 890 00:38:56,499 --> 00:38:53,119 explanation for maybe why this was 891 00:38:58,960 --> 00:38:56,509 occurring so what I like to say is it's 892 00:39:02,499 --> 00:38:58,970 it's a mixture of ghost stories and 893 00:39:04,299 --> 00:39:02,509 science and explanations so what I do in 894 00:39:06,910 --> 00:39:04,309 the book is I provide two new 895 00:39:10,029 --> 00:39:06,920 perspectives on sort of what may cause 896 00:39:11,740 --> 00:39:10,039 ghostly encounters so that's that's 897 00:39:13,809 --> 00:39:11,750 really what makes the book a little bit 898 00:39:17,019 --> 00:39:13,819 more different than than what's normally 899 00:39:19,029 --> 00:39:17,029 out there so I have gosh a lot of 900 00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:19,039 chapters on sort of scientific theories 901 00:39:24,339 --> 00:39:22,089 a lot of the latest research on energy 902 00:39:26,289 --> 00:39:24,349 and electricity when it comes to 903 00:39:29,170 --> 00:39:26,299 hauntings and sort of a little bit about 904 00:39:31,269 --> 00:39:29,180 how emotions bioenergetics and 905 00:39:33,339 --> 00:39:31,279 consciousness sort and play a role in 906 00:39:35,259 --> 00:39:33,349 ghostly encounters as well so it's a 907 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:35,269 mixture of a lot of things in this book 908 00:39:39,490 --> 00:39:37,970 and usually by the end of it I've got a 909 00:39:41,829 --> 00:39:39,500 lot of people telling me that you know 910 00:39:43,509 --> 00:39:41,839 it really helped me look at ghostly 911 00:39:47,380 --> 00:39:43,519 phenomenon or ghostly encounters in a 912 00:39:49,539 --> 00:39:47,390 different way so then that's the biggest 913 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:49,549 compliment I can take from people who've 914 00:39:53,380 --> 00:39:51,650 read this book and you know you don't 915 00:39:56,620 --> 00:39:53,390 have to be a paranormal expert to read 916 00:39:58,809 --> 00:39:56,630 this my wife is not a paranormal expert 917 00:39:59,810 --> 00:39:58,819 and she said there was a lot she got out 918 00:40:01,280 --> 00:39:59,820 of it 919 00:40:03,650 --> 00:40:01,290 some family members I've had some 920 00:40:06,110 --> 00:40:03,660 friends and just some people who you 921 00:40:08,030 --> 00:40:06,120 know I've met at some these conventions 922 00:40:10,940 --> 00:40:08,040 say you know I don't really I don't 923 00:40:12,620 --> 00:40:10,950 follow goes too much but I did graphed 924 00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:12,630 everything you were saying it was really 925 00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:15,510 a an interesting read that's good that 926 00:40:20,780 --> 00:40:19,200 you know it's always a bonus when people 927 00:40:22,580 --> 00:40:20,790 don't feel like you spoke over their 928 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:22,590 head but they don't need to have a 929 00:40:28,070 --> 00:40:24,810 degree in what you do in order to 930 00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:28,080 understand it so it that that's a huge 931 00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:28,800 compliment 932 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:32,400 so you you say what causes ghostly 933 00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:33,090 experience 934 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:36,510 it's just now a lot of times and I find 935 00:40:40,700 --> 00:40:39,690 that a lot of ghost hunters and whatnot 936 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:40,710 they're just like well if something 937 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:42,090 really bad happened in this area a lot 938 00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:46,890 of concentrated negative energy it's 939 00:40:59,570 --> 00:40:57,210 really good I mean what what causes it I 940 00:41:01,040 --> 00:40:59,580 mean there it I had a I had a ghost 941 00:41:03,620 --> 00:41:01,050 hunter on one time this is this a 942 00:41:06,830 --> 00:41:03,630 fascinating point that he made and he's 943 00:41:08,030 --> 00:41:06,840 like you know Heidi you can't get rid of 944 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:08,040 ghosts I'm like what do you mean you 945 00:41:12,170 --> 00:41:10,050 can't he's like look at how many 946 00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:12,180 billions of people have died they're 947 00:41:14,420 --> 00:41:13,260 everywhere 948 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:14,430 what are you gonna shove them to a 949 00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:16,890 corner I'm like well yeah as long as I'm 950 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:18,480 out of my space you know I don't care if 951 00:41:24,170 --> 00:41:21,210 I plow them down in the road but I mean 952 00:41:25,970 --> 00:41:24,180 so what causes ghost experiences why 953 00:41:30,860 --> 00:41:25,980 aren't there are thousand of them in our 954 00:41:33,860 --> 00:41:30,870 homes you know yeah you know I think 955 00:41:35,630 --> 00:41:33,870 it's everyone defines ghosts and spirits 956 00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:35,640 and and everything a little bit 957 00:41:43,610 --> 00:41:40,560 differently you know if you if you see a 958 00:41:46,340 --> 00:41:43,620 visual apparition does it automatically 959 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:46,350 mean it's a ghost there could be other 960 00:41:51,410 --> 00:41:49,650 explanations for that and it you know 961 00:41:53,450 --> 00:41:51,420 from all the mainstream stuff of 962 00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:53,460 hallucinations to sleep paralysis like 963 00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:56,850 we talked about earlier to you know all 964 00:42:02,300 --> 00:41:59,280 those types of things but also and on 965 00:42:04,820 --> 00:42:02,310 the you know the believer side or the 966 00:42:06,860 --> 00:42:04,830 spiritualist side it could be you know 967 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:06,870 ESP working it could be thought 968 00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,050 transference it could be a number of 969 00:42:13,810 --> 00:42:12,480 things you know gathering stuff from the 970 00:42:16,060 --> 00:42:13,820 environment 971 00:42:18,700 --> 00:42:16,070 so it doesn't necessarily have to be 972 00:42:20,170 --> 00:42:18,710 survival after death and I think you 973 00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:20,180 know one of the things I talk about in 974 00:42:25,089 --> 00:42:22,640 this book is like let's let's go into 975 00:42:27,790 --> 00:42:25,099 let's go into this and throw all of our 976 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:27,800 stereotypes out of what a ghost is and 977 00:42:33,220 --> 00:42:29,810 you know obviously the definition of a 978 00:42:37,780 --> 00:42:33,230 phone has changed since the 1800s oh yes 979 00:42:40,329 --> 00:42:37,790 it's a magic one now exactly so with 980 00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:40,339 with with definitions I think sometimes 981 00:42:44,770 --> 00:42:42,560 we have to they have to adapt a little 982 00:42:46,329 --> 00:42:44,780 bit and we've you know the definition of 983 00:42:48,010 --> 00:42:46,339 a ghost is pretty much I'm guessing 984 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:48,020 somewhat stay the same since the 985 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:50,450 beginning of time in a way so I think 986 00:42:54,490 --> 00:42:51,890 it's maybe time to look at things a 987 00:42:56,050 --> 00:42:54,500 little bit differently as far as you 988 00:42:58,359 --> 00:42:56,060 know what we're looking at when we say 989 00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:58,369 ghostly encounters and I think that 990 00:43:02,079 --> 00:42:59,599 that's something the book really looks 991 00:43:03,609 --> 00:43:02,089 at it's a different perspective you know 992 00:43:05,290 --> 00:43:03,619 it's a really different perspective on 993 00:43:07,089 --> 00:43:05,300 ghosts it has a little bit to do with 994 00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:07,099 some of this perspective in 995 00:43:11,050 --> 00:43:08,720 parapsychology but I add a little twist 996 00:43:13,839 --> 00:43:11,060 to things as well so when I talk to 997 00:43:15,819 --> 00:43:13,849 paranormal investigators I when I sit 998 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:15,829 down and talk to them I like it hey 999 00:43:19,390 --> 00:43:17,450 let's let's get on the same wavelength 1000 00:43:21,460 --> 00:43:19,400 what's your definition of a ghost and 1001 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:21,470 how do you feel about this and how do 1002 00:43:27,370 --> 00:43:23,210 you feel about imprint theory and place 1003 00:43:30,010 --> 00:43:27,380 theory yes the residual hauntings yes 1004 00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:30,020 exactly you know all that stuff and and 1005 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:31,520 and when you sit down and talk to 1006 00:43:37,690 --> 00:43:33,290 somebody you open that dialogue and you 1007 00:43:40,930 --> 00:43:37,700 find that you know maybe maybe what they 1008 00:43:42,730 --> 00:43:40,940 term a ghost isn't really a an external 1009 00:43:44,740 --> 00:43:42,740 spirit trying to communicate but it 1010 00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:44,750 could be something in the environment 1011 00:43:49,290 --> 00:43:46,730 like a telepathic distress signal in a 1012 00:43:52,059 --> 00:43:49,300 way that they're tapping into it yeah 1013 00:43:54,030 --> 00:43:52,069 sometimes because I've seen a lot of 1014 00:43:59,500 --> 00:43:54,040 weird stuff okay I'm one of those people 1015 00:44:01,359 --> 00:43:59,510 and I just I I knew when one was a ghost 1016 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:01,369 you know when it's like looking at you I 1017 00:44:06,430 --> 00:44:03,650 were taking a shower I'm like hey that 1018 00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:06,440 thing's knows I'm here and then there's 1019 00:44:12,730 --> 00:44:10,910 something a person rushing past you well 1020 00:44:14,589 --> 00:44:12,740 I had one run right well two of him run 1021 00:44:16,660 --> 00:44:14,599 right through me like they were in a 1022 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:16,670 rush they were going and I was in the 1023 00:44:20,770 --> 00:44:17,930 way and they didn't care and I'm like 1024 00:44:23,980 --> 00:44:20,780 they weren't aware that it was it was 1025 00:44:25,870 --> 00:44:23,990 just like a repeat loop of a movie I was 1026 00:44:30,850 --> 00:44:25,880 watching or something and 1027 00:44:33,790 --> 00:44:30,860 and yeah an imprint residual juicy bit 1028 00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:33,800 lingering in the air but what things to 1029 00:44:38,740 --> 00:44:36,560 so you know collide and just so happen 1030 00:44:40,540 --> 00:44:38,750 to hit my eyeballs just right at the 1031 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:40,550 right angle to see them just as they 1032 00:44:45,340 --> 00:44:43,490 were it's it's my blame because it's not 1033 00:44:47,050 --> 00:44:45,350 like I could repeat it you know it's 1034 00:44:48,370 --> 00:44:47,060 kind of like a deja vu it just happened 1035 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:48,380 and there they go 1036 00:44:53,620 --> 00:44:50,930 you know so and those those one-time 1037 00:44:55,780 --> 00:44:53,630 spontaneous cases are the best way to 1038 00:44:58,110 --> 00:44:55,790 get information about paranormal 1039 00:45:01,600 --> 00:44:58,120 phenomenon because they occur one time 1040 00:45:03,100 --> 00:45:01,610 there's only one witness the witness 1041 00:45:04,810 --> 00:45:03,110 probably knows all the variables that 1042 00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:04,820 were going on where they were what time 1043 00:45:09,550 --> 00:45:06,710 of day it was you know how they were 1044 00:45:12,130 --> 00:45:09,560 feeling emotion wise and so they really 1045 00:45:15,490 --> 00:45:12,140 give a great snapshot so if you try to 1046 00:45:16,980 --> 00:45:15,500 study a haunted location you take away 1047 00:45:19,090 --> 00:45:16,990 the one witness and now you have 1048 00:45:20,860 --> 00:45:19,100 hundreds of witnesses with different 1049 00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:20,870 stories different locations different 1050 00:45:23,980 --> 00:45:22,400 times a day so it becomes a little bit 1051 00:45:29,050 --> 00:45:23,990 more complicated to study that type of 1052 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:29,060 thing yeah makes sense so you have gone 1053 00:45:34,690 --> 00:45:32,170 and interviewed ghost hunters have you 1054 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:34,700 know been a sacrificial lamb at any 1055 00:45:44,590 --> 00:45:42,530 haunted location did you lock yourself 1056 00:45:49,630 --> 00:45:44,600 in any place to do it did you try to 1057 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:49,640 feel the vibes no I've been to I've been 1058 00:45:54,730 --> 00:45:52,010 to a lot of haunted locations in my time 1059 00:45:57,130 --> 00:45:54,740 I never got somewhere locked myself in 1060 00:45:59,620 --> 00:45:57,140 overnight or anything like that but I've 1061 00:46:01,330 --> 00:45:59,630 been to plenty of haunted locations when 1062 00:46:03,850 --> 00:46:01,340 I when I lived in an borough 1063 00:46:07,180 --> 00:46:03,860 I did research at up I don't know if you 1064 00:46:09,850 --> 00:46:07,190 ever heard of Mary Kings close no it's a 1065 00:46:11,050 --> 00:46:09,860 haunted location in N borough but they 1066 00:46:13,570 --> 00:46:11,060 say it's one of those haunted places 1067 00:46:15,370 --> 00:46:13,580 although the TV shows have been there 1068 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:15,380 Ghost Adventures Ghost Hunters most 1069 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:19,490 haunted I could name all of them but 1070 00:46:25,300 --> 00:46:22,010 it's like an underground city so he's 1071 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:25,310 got during the 1600s some businesses and 1072 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:27,650 apartments were actually underground you 1073 00:46:33,700 --> 00:46:30,530 know to save space because the city was 1074 00:46:34,900 --> 00:46:33,710 so overwhelmed so there was all kinds of 1075 00:46:37,060 --> 00:46:34,910 stuff that happened down there but 1076 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:37,070 legend has it that when the plague came 1077 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:39,530 around they actually blocked 1078 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:41,690 Wald people up down in this underground 1079 00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:44,690 city Mary Kings close and they died down 1080 00:46:48,820 --> 00:46:46,730 there and there was murders and all that 1081 00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:48,830 other stuff going on down there too but 1082 00:46:53,110 --> 00:46:51,200 one of the things is before I did the 1083 00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:53,120 research I had to take baseline readings 1084 00:46:58,180 --> 00:46:55,760 of EMF every morning so I did this for 1085 00:47:02,230 --> 00:46:58,190 seven days so I'd go down in the clothes 1086 00:47:04,090 --> 00:47:02,240 by myself which was an eerie place so I 1087 00:47:06,220 --> 00:47:04,100 was hanging out down there for maybe an 1088 00:47:08,350 --> 00:47:06,230 hour so by myself and you know you get 1089 00:47:10,570 --> 00:47:08,360 some peculiar things happening but I 1090 00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:10,580 never saw like a full-blown apparition 1091 00:47:14,050 --> 00:47:12,560 or anything like that and I've never 1092 00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:14,060 seen anything in any of the haunted 1093 00:47:21,790 --> 00:47:19,280 locations I've been to darn yeah it's 1094 00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:21,800 like man you've been so dedicated for 20 1095 00:47:27,010 --> 00:47:24,710 years and I've met many people like 1096 00:47:30,130 --> 00:47:27,020 yourself who are you know it's just so 1097 00:47:32,170 --> 00:47:30,140 dedicated and that one thing just not 1098 00:47:34,810 --> 00:47:32,180 has not come up come there away and it's 1099 00:47:36,310 --> 00:47:34,820 like what it what a shame oh well I'm 1100 00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:36,320 not gonna pray that you see yet though 1101 00:47:38,860 --> 00:47:38,240 because once you see it you can't unsee 1102 00:47:42,130 --> 00:47:38,870 it 1103 00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:42,140 and yeah yeah I I had a friend and I'm 1104 00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:44,690 not kidding you he was really into UFOs 1105 00:47:49,780 --> 00:47:46,610 hello you a full sight and everything 1106 00:47:52,660 --> 00:47:49,790 and and he never seen a UFO my go see 1107 00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:52,670 what it's like huh like yeah let's go 1108 00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:56,960 and yeah I took him to go see a UFO was 1109 00:48:00,700 --> 00:47:57,920 probably one of the more fascinating 1110 00:48:05,710 --> 00:48:00,710 ones I've seen as a really active area 1111 00:48:08,170 --> 00:48:05,720 in Wisconsin for them and he let's just 1112 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:08,180 say he had a mini breakdown without 1113 00:48:13,450 --> 00:48:10,610 going into too much details but he 1114 00:48:16,540 --> 00:48:13,460 disappeared for a bit I had no idea into 1115 00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:16,550 the cops called me and yeah it was 1116 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:18,800 really sad and I'm like I was really 1117 00:48:23,710 --> 00:48:20,210 surprised for someone who was so 1118 00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:23,720 dedicated how little they thought of 1119 00:48:27,390 --> 00:48:25,250 what it would really mean to them to 1120 00:48:30,580 --> 00:48:27,400 have experienced something like that and 1121 00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:30,590 yeah I I mean it really can shake up 1122 00:48:35,020 --> 00:48:32,240 your world no matter how well you think 1123 00:48:36,820 --> 00:48:35,030 you're prepared that really that was a 1124 00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:36,830 lesson for me too because I'm like I'm 1125 00:48:44,830 --> 00:48:38,960 gonna be careful in who I invite from 1126 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:44,840 now on if it comes in your face like 1127 00:48:46,930 --> 00:48:45,410 that 1128 00:48:49,780 --> 00:48:46,940 everyone has wond a little bit 1129 00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:49,790 differently to it yeah I had no idea 1130 00:48:57,490 --> 00:48:52,160 it'd be such a cool one but you 1131 00:49:00,430 --> 00:48:57,500 these things happen but I mean so your 1132 00:49:02,650 --> 00:49:00,440 interest got peaked with I mean was 1133 00:49:04,420 --> 00:49:02,660 there like a really moving something 1134 00:49:06,010 --> 00:49:04,430 that someone in your family a good 1135 00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:06,020 friend tell you something that you're 1136 00:49:13,539 --> 00:49:10,250 just became a believer of this stuff um 1137 00:49:16,750 --> 00:49:13,549 no I I don't have a cool story Heidi I'm 1138 00:49:20,380 --> 00:49:16,760 sorry I yeah well I I know I just um 1139 00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:20,390 when I was in high school I I picked up 1140 00:49:24,849 --> 00:49:22,640 a book about parapsychology and I 1141 00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:24,859 started reading it and it was really 1142 00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:26,930 fascinating an interest to me and this 1143 00:49:33,039 --> 00:49:30,250 is ESP this is you know remote-viewing 1144 00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:33,049 telepathy and obviously ghosts 1145 00:49:37,150 --> 00:49:35,599 reincarnation that type of thing and I 1146 00:49:38,799 --> 00:49:37,160 thought this is really cool that people 1147 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:38,809 are working and trying to figure out 1148 00:49:42,099 --> 00:49:40,970 answers to this and I was like man I 1149 00:49:44,859 --> 00:49:42,109 really like to do this 1150 00:49:47,620 --> 00:49:44,869 and then I went to college and I started 1151 00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:47,630 studying psychology and you know about 1152 00:49:51,069 --> 00:49:49,369 halfway through I I remember I pulled up 1153 00:49:53,079 --> 00:49:51,079 one of the professors aside and I said 1154 00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:53,089 you know I'm really looking at getting 1155 00:49:56,500 --> 00:49:55,130 into parapsychology and he basically 1156 00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:56,510 told me that's a bad idea 1157 00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:00,160 [Laughter] 1158 00:50:05,260 --> 00:50:02,569 he's like you'll never make money in it 1159 00:50:07,180 --> 00:50:05,270 there's nowhere in America that all the 1160 00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:07,190 because there's no place no universities 1161 00:50:13,089 --> 00:50:09,200 in America actually have courses on 1162 00:50:15,220 --> 00:50:13,099 parapsychology so you know I I kind of 1163 00:50:17,700 --> 00:50:15,230 took his advice and then I went the the 1164 00:50:20,380 --> 00:50:17,710 conventional route and I got a degree in 1165 00:50:22,779 --> 00:50:20,390 psychology and then master's degree in 1166 00:50:24,579 --> 00:50:22,789 clinical counseling and I was doing that 1167 00:50:26,130 --> 00:50:24,589 for a while and I thought to myself now 1168 00:50:28,599 --> 00:50:26,140 let's let me see about this 1169 00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:28,609 parapsychology so that's when I applied 1170 00:50:33,579 --> 00:50:31,760 and got accepted over to University of 1171 00:50:36,099 --> 00:50:33,589 Edinburgh Scotland and I studied 1172 00:50:39,339 --> 00:50:36,109 psychological research methods and I had 1173 00:50:42,579 --> 00:50:39,349 a specialization in parapsychology so my 1174 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:42,589 dissertation was on a thing called 1175 00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:44,690 environmental sensitivity and paranormal 1176 00:50:49,900 --> 00:50:48,319 experiences and I really that's really 1177 00:50:52,329 --> 00:50:49,910 where I started learning the most about 1178 00:50:54,849 --> 00:50:52,339 parapsychology and I really have always 1179 00:50:56,769 --> 00:50:54,859 focused on ghosts and apparitions I 1180 00:50:58,839 --> 00:50:56,779 never really got too much into the other 1181 00:51:01,960 --> 00:50:58,849 stuff that a lot of Paris psychologists 1182 00:51:03,839 --> 00:51:01,970 do and so my interest at picking up that 1183 00:51:06,250 --> 00:51:03,849 book really just carried me throughout 1184 00:51:09,130 --> 00:51:06,260 and you know it's it's kind 1185 00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:09,140 one of those things where a I think a 1186 00:51:13,060 --> 00:51:10,910 lot of people in the field have had an 1187 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:13,070 experience and that sort of pushes them 1188 00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:16,850 to seek more answers whereas I I'm on 1189 00:51:22,420 --> 00:51:18,410 the opposite end of that I've never had 1190 00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:22,430 an experience but the books and going 1191 00:51:27,310 --> 00:51:25,130 out I'm really looking for more I don't 1192 00:51:28,900 --> 00:51:27,320 say I'm looking for experience but maybe 1193 00:51:32,260 --> 00:51:28,910 to get a little bit a better idea of 1194 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:32,270 what's going on yeah oh there's so many 1195 00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:33,770 opportunities but you've been to a lot 1196 00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:36,290 of different places so that it always 1197 00:51:42,100 --> 00:51:40,250 surprises me how these things choose who 1198 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:42,110 they'll reveal themselves to and why 1199 00:51:47,740 --> 00:51:45,410 it's like you could be in a I've had so 1200 00:51:51,340 --> 00:51:47,750 many encounters with like UFOs and and 1201 00:51:53,490 --> 00:51:51,350 oddities paranormal things and and even 1202 00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:53,500 in the in the case of seeing a UFO 1203 00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:56,330 there's 50 people one time and we all 1204 00:52:01,030 --> 00:51:58,640 described well like half of us said it 1205 00:52:03,370 --> 00:52:01,040 was blue the other half said purple you 1206 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:03,380 know it was like what do you mean it's 1207 00:52:08,050 --> 00:52:04,850 like I was a distinctive dark blue I'm 1208 00:52:10,810 --> 00:52:08,060 like no it was purple and it's it's just 1209 00:52:11,950 --> 00:52:10,820 is so strange it's like I think it has 1210 00:52:13,450 --> 00:52:11,960 something to do with some of the signs 1211 00:52:17,530 --> 00:52:13,460 that you're looking into the way that 1212 00:52:20,020 --> 00:52:17,540 our eyes are the way the light hits our 1213 00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:20,030 our eyes our retina and interprets or 1214 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:22,400 you know and then there's been times 1215 00:52:27,130 --> 00:52:25,010 where people in a crowd could see a UFO 1216 00:52:30,310 --> 00:52:27,140 in the sky and others thought they saw a 1217 00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:30,320 dancing Sun you know that's what was 1218 00:52:34,450 --> 00:52:32,960 that and one of the sightings of Mary I 1219 00:52:37,180 --> 00:52:34,460 don't know if it was [\h__\h] gorya or 1220 00:52:39,550 --> 00:52:37,190 something I think it was but it's like 1221 00:52:43,150 --> 00:52:39,560 huh you know what what is going on here 1222 00:52:44,410 --> 00:52:43,160 so I mean no no to to people experience 1223 00:52:47,110 --> 00:52:44,420 the world the same and that's when I 1224 00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:47,120 found out over the last 10 years or so 1225 00:52:51,070 --> 00:52:49,250 studying psychology and parapsychology 1226 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:51,080 everyone's perception of the world is 1227 00:52:55,780 --> 00:52:54,410 different so even colors you know you 1228 00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:55,790 see colors different than I do 1229 00:53:02,860 --> 00:53:00,800 everything's variable for me you taste 1230 00:53:05,350 --> 00:53:02,870 things differently than I do that smell 1231 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:05,360 was different than mine you know I I 1232 00:53:09,970 --> 00:53:07,010 know when I go with my wife to pick out 1233 00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:09,980 colors for the house I see you know like 1234 00:53:16,750 --> 00:53:13,520 six colors you know white red blue 1235 00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:16,760 whatever and she sees you know you know 1236 00:53:22,430 --> 00:53:19,440 awesome I'll make shell white and 1237 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:22,440 I don't know what's going on so you know 1238 00:53:27,230 --> 00:53:25,170 everyone sees things differently and I 1239 00:53:30,410 --> 00:53:27,240 think there's a subset of the population 1240 00:53:32,750 --> 00:53:30,420 that's actually extremely extremely 1241 00:53:35,690 --> 00:53:32,760 sensitive to the environment around us 1242 00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:35,700 you know everything that's going on from 1243 00:53:43,250 --> 00:53:39,920 magnetic fields to weather changes - 1244 00:53:46,450 --> 00:53:43,260 smells - you know these people tend to 1245 00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:46,460 have a lot of migraines and fibromyalgia 1246 00:53:51,650 --> 00:53:49,680 and environmental illnesses that that go 1247 00:53:52,849 --> 00:53:51,660 along with that and and what they found 1248 00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:52,859 is these people who are really 1249 00:53:56,660 --> 00:53:54,930 hypersensitive to everything around them 1250 00:53:58,550 --> 00:53:56,670 they have way way way way more 1251 00:54:01,069 --> 00:53:58,560 paranormal experiences than the general 1252 00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:01,079 population so one of the questions that 1253 00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:02,250 I looked at in a lot of my research was 1254 00:54:06,980 --> 00:54:05,130 why is that why is this subset of the 1255 00:54:10,579 --> 00:54:06,990 population having these wonderful 1256 00:54:11,870 --> 00:54:10,589 experiences what is it about them and 1257 00:54:15,380 --> 00:54:11,880 that's that's really what got me going 1258 00:54:18,620 --> 00:54:15,390 and the whole you know what writing the 1259 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:18,630 book and ghosts and well we're missing 1260 00:54:24,620 --> 00:54:21,770 chromosomes I think that's the problem 1261 00:54:26,180 --> 00:54:24,630 you know I have so many questions that 1262 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:26,190 have been coming up here in the chat 1263 00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:28,890 room so I'll definitely post them for 1264 00:54:32,569 --> 00:54:30,690 those to you here soon we're gonna get 1265 00:54:34,099 --> 00:54:32,579 to our next break you guys you are 1266 00:54:39,410 --> 00:54:34,109 listening to me Heidi how's the outlet 1267 00:54:41,569 --> 00:54:39,420 and ER and we'll be right back welcome 1268 00:54:44,930 --> 00:54:41,579 back everybody you listen to me Heidi 1269 00:54:48,530 --> 00:54:44,940 house the Outlander I have the author of 1270 00:54:51,710 --> 00:54:48,540 The Ghost studies Brandon who is 1271 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:51,720 discussing some interesting aspects to 1272 00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:53,450 his book that I don't think I've seen 1273 00:54:59,020 --> 00:54:56,010 culminated into one book so his first 1274 00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:59,030 book and what a fabulous way to approach 1275 00:55:03,980 --> 00:55:01,680 ghostly things and you're kind of 1276 00:55:06,319 --> 00:55:03,990 combining the psyche aspects the 1277 00:55:09,859 --> 00:55:06,329 emotional aspects the science aspect the 1278 00:55:13,010 --> 00:55:09,869 neurobiological ones I mean yeah are 1279 00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:13,020 there any like cool stories that you 1280 00:55:21,170 --> 00:55:16,050 depict in the book and then apply this 1281 00:55:23,390 --> 00:55:21,180 new approach - yeah I have gosh I have a 1282 00:55:25,970 --> 00:55:23,400 whole chapter of just case case studies 1283 00:55:27,470 --> 00:55:25,980 in the book and I think for me 1284 00:55:30,349 --> 00:55:27,480 personally and this is going through 1285 00:55:33,319 --> 00:55:30,359 school and even as an adult I learn best 1286 00:55:37,459 --> 00:55:33,329 with case examples and I learn best with 1287 00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:37,469 sort of you know reading a case study 1288 00:55:43,309 --> 00:55:39,359 and then sort of explaining what's going 1289 00:55:45,859 --> 00:55:43,319 on after it one of the things in the 1290 00:55:47,539 --> 00:55:45,869 book I there's a I saw someone at a chat 1291 00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:47,549 room was talking about civil war stuff 1292 00:55:52,519 --> 00:55:49,650 and Gettysburg all right 1293 00:55:54,589 --> 00:55:52,529 you know I I have some I have a case 1294 00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:54,599 example about some Civil War soldiers 1295 00:55:59,870 --> 00:55:58,319 and in the book as well and I kind of 1296 00:56:03,140 --> 00:55:59,880 break it down about Willie what I'm 1297 00:56:06,949 --> 00:56:03,150 thinking about there did you want to 1298 00:56:10,759 --> 00:56:06,959 hear a case example actually asked if 1299 00:56:12,319 --> 00:56:10,769 he'd gone out to blast of a war area so 1300 00:56:14,359 --> 00:56:12,329 yeah let's do it 1301 00:56:16,039 --> 00:56:14,369 let's yeah well let's let's pick one 1302 00:56:18,829 --> 00:56:16,049 from Gettysburg because that's that's 1303 00:56:23,469 --> 00:56:18,839 when I talk about them sometimes on the 1304 00:56:25,999 --> 00:56:23,479 in the book here but so this is in 1863 1305 00:56:27,519 --> 00:56:26,009 Deborah had a nineteen year old son who 1306 00:56:29,839 --> 00:56:27,529 was fighting in the Battle of Gettysburg 1307 00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:29,849 all right and this is just the sort of 1308 00:56:34,729 --> 00:56:32,729 an account from Deborah I woke up one 1309 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:34,739 morning around 2:00 a.m. feeling like 1310 00:56:38,930 --> 00:56:36,930 I've been punched in the head I was 1311 00:56:41,779 --> 00:56:38,940 covered in sweat had a terrible headache 1312 00:56:44,209 --> 00:56:41,789 and felt blood gushing down my face I 1313 00:56:46,910 --> 00:56:44,219 couldn't breathe and I was gasping for 1314 00:56:49,279 --> 00:56:46,920 air as if choking I felt if if my lungs 1315 00:56:51,140 --> 00:56:49,289 were filling with water or sludge so I 1316 00:56:53,479 --> 00:56:51,150 went to the bathroom to try and cough up 1317 00:56:56,420 --> 00:56:53,489 the substance I was overwhelmed with 1318 00:56:58,279 --> 00:56:56,430 feelings of fear sadness and anger so 1319 00:57:01,039 --> 00:56:58,289 feeling weak i sat down on the bathroom 1320 00:57:03,410 --> 00:57:01,049 floor while crying at that moment I saw 1321 00:57:04,999 --> 00:57:03,420 an image of my son in full civil war 1322 00:57:08,089 --> 00:57:05,009 uniform and covered in blood 1323 00:57:09,499 --> 00:57:08,099 I then heard my voice my son's voice say 1324 00:57:12,410 --> 00:57:09,509 tell mom I love her 1325 00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:12,420 please tell her I love her the image and 1326 00:57:16,430 --> 00:57:14,130 my physical symptoms vanished within 1327 00:57:18,170 --> 00:57:16,440 seconds picking myself off the floor I 1328 00:57:19,729 --> 00:57:18,180 looked into the mirror and saw no blood 1329 00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:19,739 or bump that would indicate I hurt my 1330 00:57:23,479 --> 00:57:21,359 head a week later 1331 00:57:25,249 --> 00:57:23,489 Deborah learned of her son's death which 1332 00:57:27,859 --> 00:57:25,259 occurred at the same time as her strange 1333 00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:27,869 symptoms that evening according to 1334 00:57:33,140 --> 00:57:30,209 reports he died from a gunshot to the 1335 00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:33,150 chest and severe head trauma so that 1336 00:57:38,650 --> 00:57:36,089 might explain why she had headache felt 1337 00:57:42,109 --> 00:57:38,660 blood gushing down her head and had 1338 00:57:47,150 --> 00:57:42,119 feelings of blood her lungs filling with 1339 00:57:50,750 --> 00:57:47,160 water my goodness what a 1340 00:57:54,500 --> 00:57:50,760 what a story and you know moms have that 1341 00:57:57,620 --> 00:57:54,510 sixth sense anyways but that is like 1342 00:58:00,740 --> 00:57:57,630 that's a lot of detail yeah Wow 1343 00:58:03,380 --> 00:58:00,750 it means that that's like a a blueprint 1344 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:03,390 or a typical crisis apparition or 1345 00:58:07,250 --> 00:58:05,850 deathbed vision and I'm sure you of a 1346 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:07,260 lot of your listeners have read story 1347 00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:09,450 very similar to this so you have these 1348 00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:11,370 phenomenon happening at the same time 1349 00:58:17,330 --> 00:58:14,160 when someone's in distress or you either 1350 00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:17,340 just died or is dying or is in some sort 1351 00:58:22,670 --> 00:58:19,770 of crisis and they somehow communicate 1352 00:58:24,830 --> 00:58:22,680 their symptoms to their fan it's usually 1353 00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:24,840 family members someone they're linked 1354 00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:28,880 with emotionally you know miles apart or 1355 00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:32,400 states away or something like that so in 1356 00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:33,930 this case maybe Deborah was in in 1357 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:36,930 Indiana and the Sun was in Gettysburg Pa 1358 00:58:44,030 --> 00:58:40,410 so he's transferring all this stuff over 1359 00:58:47,450 --> 00:58:44,040 to to his his mom and she's experienced 1360 00:58:50,420 --> 00:58:47,460 that pretty much at the same time and 1361 00:58:53,660 --> 00:58:50,430 that that is a little bit about what I 1362 00:58:55,970 --> 00:58:53,670 talked about in my theories you know one 1363 00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:55,980 of the theories that I have that it is 1364 00:58:58,960 --> 00:58:57,450 probably the most interesting in the 1365 00:59:02,480 --> 00:58:58,970 book is something I called spontaneous 1366 00:59:04,910 --> 00:59:02,490 apparitional tres theory hmm and and and 1367 00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:04,920 what that does is it it sort of says 1368 00:59:09,380 --> 00:59:07,170 that in every haunted location there's 1369 00:59:12,410 --> 00:59:09,390 an individual who sent this sort of 1370 00:59:13,970 --> 00:59:12,420 telepathic telepathic distress call to 1371 00:59:16,810 --> 00:59:13,980 someone who they were emotionally linked 1372 00:59:19,220 --> 00:59:16,820 with that sort of stuck in that location 1373 00:59:20,990 --> 00:59:19,230 so it's a little bit of the imprint 1374 00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:21,000 theory which I'll talk about in a second 1375 00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:23,370 but from my viewpoint it's this 1376 00:59:28,010 --> 00:59:26,160 telepathic distress call that sensitives 1377 00:59:30,050 --> 00:59:28,020 are picking up on and ghost hunters are 1378 00:59:32,210 --> 00:59:30,060 encountering with their equipment and I 1379 00:59:34,430 --> 00:59:32,220 think that this this idea or this 1380 00:59:36,860 --> 00:59:34,440 hypothesis can account for a great deal 1381 00:59:40,490 --> 00:59:36,870 of recurrent apparitions residual 1382 00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:40,500 hauntings and what's great about my 1383 00:59:45,590 --> 00:59:43,200 theory is it haunting doesn't have to 1384 00:59:48,260 --> 00:59:45,600 coincide with the location of the tragic 1385 00:59:50,210 --> 00:59:48,270 event so in this case the haunting 1386 00:59:52,130 --> 00:59:50,220 doesn't have to happen at Gettysburg it 1387 00:59:54,260 --> 00:59:52,140 could also happen if people were 1388 00:59:58,880 --> 00:59:54,270 investigating Deborah's house the mom's 1389 01:00:00,560 --> 00:59:58,890 house in Indiana so it accounts it goes 1390 01:00:01,970 --> 01:00:00,570 a step further and it's 1391 01:00:03,470 --> 01:00:01,980 there's a lot of ghost hunters and 1392 01:00:06,050 --> 01:00:03,480 paranormal investigators will go into a 1393 01:00:09,620 --> 01:00:06,060 house and they'll say well you know 1394 01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:09,630 there's Meneely unlikely it's it's a 1395 01:00:13,700 --> 01:00:11,760 haunting or paranormal because no 1396 01:00:16,100 --> 01:00:13,710 tragedy occurred here no death occurred 1397 01:00:17,780 --> 01:00:16,110 here nothing traumatic occurred here 1398 01:00:19,790 --> 01:00:17,790 well they'll go into a house that's 2 or 1399 01:00:22,370 --> 01:00:19,800 3 years old and say well you know this 1400 01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:22,380 this house is too new to have a haunting 1401 01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:24,210 to it but my theory sort of throws that 1402 01:00:27,260 --> 01:00:25,650 out the way and says you don't need 1403 01:00:29,180 --> 01:00:27,270 those types of things to have a haunting 1404 01:00:32,510 --> 01:00:29,190 at a location or haunt type phenomenon 1405 01:00:35,780 --> 01:00:32,520 Adam okay well that's wild 1406 01:00:39,050 --> 01:00:35,790 you know and speaking on civil war but I 1407 01:00:42,140 --> 01:00:39,060 have a family member who like outright 1408 01:00:45,470 --> 01:00:42,150 recalls it with great detail and it was 1409 01:00:47,290 --> 01:00:45,480 like a real dream to them of seeing 1410 01:00:52,190 --> 01:00:47,300 their reflection and they were a young 1411 01:00:55,130 --> 01:00:52,200 Civil War soldier and just and know that 1412 01:00:57,770 --> 01:00:55,140 they died during that war and it's like 1413 01:01:00,260 --> 01:00:57,780 huh you know it's it's interesting to me 1414 01:01:00,830 --> 01:01:00,270 how people get these hints but I got one 1415 01:01:05,260 --> 01:01:00,840 for you 1416 01:01:09,410 --> 01:01:05,270 okay hmm I have seen residual things and 1417 01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:09,420 but this one has a weird note I just 1418 01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:11,130 don't even know how to apply it but I 1419 01:01:16,850 --> 01:01:13,650 went until your folk conference of all 1420 01:01:19,220 --> 01:01:16,860 places okay my friends in the car I just 1421 01:01:20,690 --> 01:01:19,230 pull up to the hotel where the 1422 01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:20,700 conference is being held and where I'm 1423 01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:24,000 staying I go to put the car in park and 1424 01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:25,200 I'm talking to her and I'm looking hit 1425 01:01:34,250 --> 01:01:29,610 ahead of the car and through the trees 1426 01:01:37,100 --> 01:01:34,260 came this blonde lady in a baby blue 1427 01:01:39,410 --> 01:01:37,110 like like jogging outfit with white 1428 01:01:43,250 --> 01:01:39,420 stripes going down the side blonde 1429 01:01:45,740 --> 01:01:43,260 ponytail blue eyes and just look like 1430 01:01:49,820 --> 01:01:45,750 jogging and she's coming through the 1431 01:01:52,220 --> 01:01:49,830 trees comes bolting through my car I 1432 01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:52,230 threw everything up in the air screams 1433 01:02:01,520 --> 01:01:56,090 jumped up at the car my first like what 1434 01:02:03,830 --> 01:02:01,530 and I'm like you know what she came 1435 01:02:06,050 --> 01:02:03,840 through the car and I like on the other 1436 01:02:10,010 --> 01:02:06,060 side of this little patch of woods there 1437 01:02:12,650 --> 01:02:10,020 is a road so later on I'd go to my 1438 01:02:14,210 --> 01:02:12,660 friends who happen to live in the area 1439 01:02:16,910 --> 01:02:14,220 and also attended the car 1440 01:02:18,620 --> 01:02:16,920 fred's and I'm of course disturbed by 1441 01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:18,630 what I've experienced the day earlier 1442 01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:21,450 and I'm like hey guys did did a blonde 1443 01:02:25,730 --> 01:02:24,570 girl get hit on the road here and died 1444 01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:25,740 or something 1445 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:29,520 and they they froze and they looked at 1446 01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:32,010 me and they're like why Heidi and I'm 1447 01:02:38,180 --> 01:02:35,609 like well I saw this blonde lady in his 1448 01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:38,190 jogging suit and I said it they said 1449 01:02:42,260 --> 01:02:39,570 something like they finished my 1450 01:02:45,830 --> 01:02:42,270 sentences so was it was a blue with 1451 01:02:47,810 --> 01:02:45,840 white stripes I'm like you know what I'm 1452 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:47,820 like yes and they're like no Heidi a 1453 01:02:53,060 --> 01:02:50,730 girl did not die there and I'm like I'm 1454 01:02:56,270 --> 01:02:53,070 confused what do you mean and they said 1455 01:02:59,599 --> 01:02:56,280 they did not know but a woman in st. 1456 01:03:03,170 --> 01:02:59,609 Louis saw the same thing and one of them 1457 01:03:06,109 --> 01:03:03,180 had seen the same day but I'm opposites 1458 01:03:08,690 --> 01:03:06,119 like many miles away and they're like we 1459 01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:08,700 don't know why all of us I'm like hold 1460 01:03:13,070 --> 01:03:10,050 it there's three of us sitting here I've 1461 01:03:15,380 --> 01:03:13,080 seen this woman at different spots and 1462 01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:15,390 they're like it's almost like a trigger 1463 01:03:19,460 --> 01:03:17,490 and they were like you know conspiracy 1464 01:03:21,079 --> 01:03:19,470 theory like we feel like a switch has 1465 01:03:23,810 --> 01:03:21,089 been flipped in our heads we don't know 1466 01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:23,820 I'm like I am freaked out I mean how do 1467 01:03:28,849 --> 01:03:25,680 you attribute that that was weird 1468 01:03:30,859 --> 01:03:28,859 yeah it's it's definitely weird and 1469 01:03:34,220 --> 01:03:30,869 unusual and and that's what makes this 1470 01:03:36,770 --> 01:03:34,230 this field so amazing but you know maybe 1471 01:03:40,579 --> 01:03:36,780 let's you said it was a blonde lady a 1472 01:03:42,500 --> 01:03:40,589 younger lady they yeah oh yeah so let's 1473 01:03:44,839 --> 01:03:42,510 say that and you were at this conference 1474 01:03:49,700 --> 01:03:44,849 let's say that this young lady was 1475 01:03:53,030 --> 01:03:49,710 jogging and got hit and I don't know New 1476 01:03:55,849 --> 01:03:53,040 York City or something right and maybe 1477 01:03:59,780 --> 01:03:55,859 her mom was was sitting at the same 1478 01:04:01,339 --> 01:03:59,790 location you were sitting at and she at 1479 01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:01,349 the time her daughter was hit by a car 1480 01:04:09,140 --> 01:04:03,450 she got overwhelming feelings of sadness 1481 01:04:10,550 --> 01:04:09,150 she felt like you know she felt she saw 1482 01:04:15,530 --> 01:04:10,560 an apparition of her daughter and 1483 01:04:18,230 --> 01:04:15,540 jogging uniform maybe she had you know 1484 01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:18,240 some physical symptoms like like feeling 1485 01:04:22,730 --> 01:04:19,530 like someone hit her with a bat or 1486 01:04:24,710 --> 01:04:22,740 something so so maybe this daughter sent 1487 01:04:27,060 --> 01:04:24,720 a telepathic distress call if you want 1488 01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:27,070 to call it to her mom where you doubt 1489 01:04:32,490 --> 01:04:29,920 she dialed the wrong number well that's 1490 01:04:34,980 --> 01:04:32,500 the thing she let's say this the the 1491 01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:34,990 when the woman died it was fifty years 1492 01:04:38,220 --> 01:04:35,530 ago 1493 01:04:40,230 --> 01:04:38,230 I'm just using a number here and that 1494 01:04:42,750 --> 01:04:40,240 telepathic message was sent to the mom 1495 01:04:45,330 --> 01:04:42,760 50 years ago so this distress message 1496 01:04:48,270 --> 01:04:45,340 goes out into the environment and it and 1497 01:04:49,860 --> 01:04:48,280 it links with the mom to say the the 1498 01:04:50,430 --> 01:04:49,870 joggers in New York and it links with 1499 01:04:52,620 --> 01:04:50,440 the mom 1500 01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:52,630 where was this conference at it was in 1501 01:04:58,590 --> 01:04:55,330 Arkansas and it and the mom is in 1502 01:05:01,020 --> 01:04:58,600 Arkansas so the the daughter gets hit 1503 01:05:03,090 --> 01:05:01,030 she sends a distress message to mom she 1504 01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:03,100 sees a visual apparition of her daughter 1505 01:05:07,470 --> 01:05:05,290 in danger so it's like a telepathic 1506 01:05:09,870 --> 01:05:07,480 distress signal in Arkansas where you're 1507 01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:09,880 at so this distress signal is in the 1508 01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:12,880 environment now and if people are 1509 01:05:16,670 --> 01:05:14,770 sensitive enough they could walk up and 1510 01:05:18,570 --> 01:05:16,680 maybe pick up on this residual 1511 01:05:20,910 --> 01:05:18,580 telepathic distress call 1512 01:05:24,900 --> 01:05:20,920 so maybe but she didn't but I'm in 1513 01:05:26,910 --> 01:05:24,910 another state yeah yeah so it's a 1514 01:05:31,620 --> 01:05:26,920 thought transference so if we look at 1515 01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:31,630 the Civil War case the son the son died 1516 01:05:36,450 --> 01:05:34,210 in Gettysburg and Deborah was in Indiana 1517 01:05:39,780 --> 01:05:36,460 and she got all those types of symptoms 1518 01:05:43,140 --> 01:05:39,790 so he communicated what he was doing to 1519 01:05:45,210 --> 01:05:43,150 his mother in Indiana five nine months 1520 01:05:47,700 --> 01:05:45,220 away or whatever same thing with this 1521 01:05:49,710 --> 01:05:47,710 this jogger she communicated her 1522 01:05:53,100 --> 01:05:49,720 distress symptoms to the mother in 1523 01:05:55,350 --> 01:05:53,110 Arkansas now they're you know we can 1524 01:05:57,780 --> 01:05:55,360 communicate nowadays through the 1525 01:05:59,190 --> 01:05:57,790 environment with just touching a phone 1526 01:06:01,860 --> 01:05:59,200 you know I could pick up my cell phone 1527 01:06:04,380 --> 01:06:01,870 and call Japan right now so this idea 1528 01:06:06,780 --> 01:06:04,390 that the you know communication a 1529 01:06:10,620 --> 01:06:06,790 distance is not possible that doesn't 1530 01:06:15,300 --> 01:06:10,630 exist but thought transference occurs so 1531 01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:15,310 then you have this this experience 50 1532 01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:17,290 years in the future in the same location 1533 01:06:20,940 --> 01:06:18,490 where the mom might have had the 1534 01:06:22,410 --> 01:06:20,950 experience in the past well the the 1535 01:06:24,870 --> 01:06:22,420 strange thing is though one of the 1536 01:06:27,390 --> 01:06:24,880 people saw her in another state and the 1537 01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:27,400 other people saw her like a week earlier 1538 01:06:33,150 --> 01:06:29,770 many miles away but not too far from 1539 01:06:36,090 --> 01:06:33,160 there but I mean you weird and I didn't 1540 01:06:38,460 --> 01:06:36,100 notice this other person and and I have 1541 01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:38,470 to say the the jogging outfit looked 1542 01:06:43,210 --> 01:06:40,250 dated it might have been 80 1543 01:06:45,700 --> 01:06:43,220 80s or something but see what my theory 1544 01:06:48,070 --> 01:06:45,710 can explain that because maybe maybe the 1545 01:06:49,900 --> 01:06:48,080 distress signal went to people she was 1546 01:06:53,140 --> 01:06:49,910 emotionally linked with so that could be 1547 01:06:56,850 --> 01:06:53,150 mom in Arkansas that could be brother in 1548 01:07:00,520 --> 01:06:56,860 st. Louis and that could be I don't know 1549 01:07:02,410 --> 01:07:00,530 husband in Ohio yeah so this went to all 1550 01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:02,420 these people so this distress signal is 1551 01:07:06,700 --> 01:07:04,970 out there in all these locations so you 1552 01:07:08,590 --> 01:07:06,710 know my theory would really say it 1553 01:07:10,660 --> 01:07:08,600 doesn't matter where you're at if the 1554 01:07:11,650 --> 01:07:10,670 distress signal was sent then someone 1555 01:07:14,290 --> 01:07:11,660 can pick up on it 1556 01:07:16,330 --> 01:07:14,300 gotcha wild I want to get to some of 1557 01:07:19,060 --> 01:07:16,340 these lovely questions that people are 1558 01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:19,070 posting here well you kind of you kind 1559 01:07:25,150 --> 01:07:22,160 of answered the Civil War thingy during 1560 01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:25,160 your time as a residential advisor did 1561 01:07:29,830 --> 01:07:26,930 you get any reports from the residents 1562 01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:29,840 of shadows of or apparitions in their in 1563 01:07:36,900 --> 01:07:33,890 their rooms I was never a residential 1564 01:07:40,530 --> 01:07:36,910 advisor yeah I worked on a residential 1565 01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:40,540 yeah I worked on a substance abuse unit 1566 01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:45,530 no I never know I I never had anyone 1567 01:07:49,530 --> 01:07:47,450 really say like the the place where they 1568 01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:49,540 were at was haunted as far as in a 1569 01:07:54,790 --> 01:07:51,650 psychiatric unit or a substance abuse 1570 01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:54,800 residential unit couch and you know what 1571 01:07:58,810 --> 01:07:56,810 just get you yeah I mean when you think 1572 01:08:01,600 --> 01:07:58,820 about it there's a lot of emotions tied 1573 01:08:03,220 --> 01:08:01,610 to it there's a lot of you know stuff 1574 01:08:03,700 --> 01:08:03,230 going on there but I'd never heard 1575 01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:03,710 anything 1576 01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:05,450 hospitals are typically a lot one of 1577 01:08:10,900 --> 01:08:07,450 those places that are frequently haunted 1578 01:08:12,700 --> 01:08:10,910 truly oh yeah yeah you hear those all 1579 01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:12,710 the time from nurse and usually from 1580 01:08:19,539 --> 01:08:15,890 nurses yeah things like that and I used 1581 01:08:21,309 --> 01:08:19,549 to have the third shift so yeah oh you 1582 01:08:22,809 --> 01:08:21,319 really got it then that I have 1583 01:08:25,210 --> 01:08:22,819 experienced stuff in the different 1584 01:08:27,579 --> 01:08:25,220 places I've worked and Wow and heard 1585 01:08:29,740 --> 01:08:27,589 stories from the patients and you know 1586 01:08:31,809 --> 01:08:29,750 one of the top things in health care is 1587 01:08:33,190 --> 01:08:31,819 because I worked in the ER was you know 1588 01:08:34,660 --> 01:08:33,200 every time I walk in it was a full moon 1589 01:08:36,039 --> 01:08:34,670 everyone would tell me you know it's a 1590 01:08:38,890 --> 01:08:36,049 full moon you're gonna be busy at night 1591 01:08:42,670 --> 01:08:38,900 because the implication people are 1592 01:08:45,190 --> 01:08:42,680 crazier during full moons you know it 1593 01:08:47,289 --> 01:08:45,200 and all these places have done all this 1594 01:08:49,090 --> 01:08:47,299 research saying that that's not true and 1595 01:08:50,710 --> 01:08:49,100 bla bla bla bla like a lot of skeptics 1596 01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:50,720 with it oh there's no correlation 1597 01:08:55,300 --> 01:08:52,400 between 1598 01:08:57,190 --> 01:08:55,310 full moon and psychiatric admissions but 1599 01:08:59,910 --> 01:08:57,200 I tell you what you work in an emergency 1600 01:09:04,210 --> 01:08:59,920 room and full moon comes around it does 1601 01:09:06,340 --> 01:09:04,220 yeah there's no yeah it happens you know 1602 01:09:09,010 --> 01:09:06,350 it really does in Wisconsin when the 1603 01:09:11,890 --> 01:09:09,020 Packers lose that's when Oh crazies come 1604 01:09:14,740 --> 01:09:11,900 out and now with our Rodgers purposely 1605 01:09:17,670 --> 01:09:14,750 injured yeah i'ma say it like that yeah 1606 01:09:20,140 --> 01:09:17,680 there's gonna be a lot more going on I 1607 01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:20,150 will say this I'm a Cleveland Browns fan 1608 01:09:31,930 --> 01:09:28,960 so you guys are lucky oh I tell you that 1609 01:09:34,030 --> 01:09:31,940 Rodgers your team is far superior that 1610 01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:34,040 aren't yeah well you know what they 1611 01:09:38,470 --> 01:09:35,930 really train them they don't let those 1612 01:09:41,050 --> 01:09:38,480 guys go they keep their guys and they 1613 01:09:42,910 --> 01:09:41,060 get them to the point of doing what they 1614 01:09:44,349 --> 01:09:42,920 do so it's yeah they're they're 1615 01:09:47,079 --> 01:09:44,359 different team they don't they don't let 1616 01:09:49,780 --> 01:09:47,089 their players go very often so they mold 1617 01:09:53,079 --> 01:09:49,790 them they mold them so another question 1618 01:09:54,430 --> 01:09:53,089 this says if I don't know if you know 1619 01:09:56,440 --> 01:09:54,440 about this stuff does Brandon have any 1620 01:09:58,930 --> 01:09:56,450 opinions on remote viewing or 1621 01:10:02,020 --> 01:09:58,940 experiences or was that just in the book 1622 01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:02,030 he read yeah you know I don't have very 1623 01:10:06,370 --> 01:10:04,010 much experience as remote viewing but 1624 01:10:08,500 --> 01:10:06,380 I'm gonna tell you and i'ma give the 1625 01:10:10,990 --> 01:10:08,510 people in the chatroom a place to go I I 1626 01:10:13,060 --> 01:10:11,000 spoke at the Paris Psychological 1627 01:10:16,210 --> 01:10:13,070 associations sixtieth sixtieth 1628 01:10:17,980 --> 01:10:16,220 anniversary anniversary celebration I 1629 01:10:19,780 --> 01:10:17,990 spoke on environmental sensitivity and 1630 01:10:23,950 --> 01:10:19,790 things like that but one of the speakers 1631 01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:23,960 there was dr. EDA and if if people don't 1632 01:10:26,950 --> 01:10:24,530 know who he is 1633 01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:26,960 he was the the lead researcher for 1634 01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:30,050 Stargate which is the what the the 1635 01:10:39,070 --> 01:10:36,130 government's the government's forte into 1636 01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:39,080 studying ESP insight and things like 1637 01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:43,610 that yes so right now I think it's 15-20 1638 01:10:48,250 --> 01:10:45,410 years after they shut it I mean the 1639 01:10:50,590 --> 01:10:48,260 program went for 15 20 years but they 1640 01:10:52,330 --> 01:10:50,600 Declassified everything after 15 20 1641 01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:52,340 years and he's got a new book coming out 1642 01:10:57,340 --> 01:10:54,650 here shortly and he talked a lot about 1643 01:10:59,680 --> 01:10:57,350 remote viewing and he talked about how 1644 01:11:02,530 --> 01:10:59,690 accurate some of the participants they 1645 01:11:05,260 --> 01:11:02,540 had in in this government study were and 1646 01:11:06,110 --> 01:11:05,270 it was absolutely fascinating but you 1647 01:11:08,540 --> 01:11:06,120 can go on 1648 01:11:10,580 --> 01:11:08,550 the Paris Psychological associations 1649 01:11:14,690 --> 01:11:10,590 YouTube page and you could watch his 1650 01:11:16,730 --> 01:11:14,700 full his full speech or presentation 1651 01:11:18,380 --> 01:11:16,740 it's absolutely free and it will 1652 01:11:21,020 --> 01:11:18,390 absolutely blow your mind 1653 01:11:23,510 --> 01:11:21,030 and remote viewing is one of the things 1654 01:11:26,150 --> 01:11:23,520 they studied the most in this government 1655 01:11:29,810 --> 01:11:26,160 research for 15 20 years and he shows 1656 01:11:32,660 --> 01:11:29,820 pictures of what the person was drawing 1657 01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:32,670 in the actual target which was I don't 1658 01:11:37,550 --> 01:11:34,890 know four hundred thousand miles away or 1659 01:11:40,010 --> 01:11:37,560 whatever the thing was but I don't talk 1660 01:11:42,770 --> 01:11:40,020 too much about remote viewing that is 1661 01:11:44,810 --> 01:11:42,780 another animal in and of itself I talk a 1662 01:11:47,540 --> 01:11:44,820 lot about telepathy thought transference 1663 01:11:51,590 --> 01:11:47,550 I talk a lot about consciousness I talk 1664 01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:51,600 a lot about you know apparitions and the 1665 01:11:55,670 --> 01:11:53,970 sigh hypothesis and things like that but 1666 01:11:57,170 --> 01:11:55,680 not specifically remote viewing 1667 01:11:58,700 --> 01:11:57,180 because remote viewing does it have too 1668 01:12:03,440 --> 01:11:58,710 much to do with ghosts and apparitions 1669 01:12:06,020 --> 01:12:03,450 it's it's more of like a yes ESP Clara 1670 01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:06,030 the remote viewing type situation catch 1671 01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:08,010 it what I have a question for you what 1672 01:12:12,890 --> 01:12:10,970 it what is your ultimate goal behind 1673 01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:12,900 some of the research that you've been 1674 01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:14,850 doing it seems like no matter what 1675 01:12:17,810 --> 01:12:16,050 whether you've experienced something or 1676 01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:17,820 not there's there's an ultimate passion 1677 01:12:23,780 --> 01:12:20,730 and a drive and a goal so what is it for 1678 01:12:29,480 --> 01:12:23,790 you with this book oh you know no one's 1679 01:12:33,410 --> 01:12:29,490 asked me that what is my goal you know I 1680 01:12:37,010 --> 01:12:33,420 tell you what and and from from starting 1681 01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:37,020 this whole thing to where I am now it's 1682 01:12:42,140 --> 01:12:39,360 it's kind of been quite a ride for the 1683 01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:42,150 most part but you know as far as my goal 1684 01:12:47,570 --> 01:12:44,880 I I think I just want to get some of my 1685 01:12:49,430 --> 01:12:47,580 ideas and thoughts in out there into the 1686 01:12:52,370 --> 01:12:49,440 world and kind of see what people think 1687 01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:52,380 about them so you know I have a website 1688 01:12:56,330 --> 01:12:54,690 and I have all this stuff going on but 1689 01:12:58,850 --> 01:12:56,340 really what I want to do is just talk 1690 01:13:01,910 --> 01:12:58,860 with people and get get an idea of kind 1691 01:13:04,820 --> 01:13:01,920 of how they feel what their thoughts are 1692 01:13:06,410 --> 01:13:04,830 on my on my book I mean I'll be honest 1693 01:13:08,270 --> 01:13:06,420 with everyone the original premise for 1694 01:13:09,860 --> 01:13:08,280 the book was a skeptical look at ghostly 1695 01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:09,870 phenomenon through the eyes of a mental 1696 01:13:18,770 --> 01:13:12,810 health clinician yeah oh yeah 1697 01:13:19,850 --> 01:13:18,780 oh it it took quite a turn so yeah so 1698 01:13:21,710 --> 01:13:19,860 what I did was you 1699 01:13:23,780 --> 01:13:21,720 I compiled all these research articles 1700 01:13:25,940 --> 01:13:23,790 from mainstream psychology and 1701 01:13:28,220 --> 01:13:25,950 parapsychology and I started writing 1702 01:13:31,100 --> 01:13:28,230 about the numerous psychological and 1703 01:13:32,660 --> 01:13:31,110 natural causes to ghostly phenomenon so 1704 01:13:34,580 --> 01:13:32,670 because I've always been fascinated with 1705 01:13:36,530 --> 01:13:34,590 ghosts and I never had an experience I 1706 01:13:39,650 --> 01:13:36,540 was you know old Brandon was really 1707 01:13:42,530 --> 01:13:39,660 skeptical those people who did so uh you 1708 01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:42,540 know prior to writing the book and and 1709 01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:45,120 Burrell I my my research that I 1710 01:13:50,540 --> 01:13:48,210 conducted beyond environmental 1711 01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:50,550 sensitivity I kind of looked at it 1712 01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:52,320 through a skeptics eye and I sort of 1713 01:13:56,540 --> 01:13:54,000 said well these these people are just 1714 01:13:58,340 --> 01:13:56,550 misinterpreting ambiguous stimuli and 1715 01:13:59,870 --> 01:13:58,350 I've been looking back at that I kind of 1716 01:14:03,590 --> 01:13:59,880 punched myself in the in the face 1717 01:14:06,350 --> 01:14:03,600 because what I did was I reduced like 1718 01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:06,360 over 600 paranormal experiences which 1719 01:14:11,330 --> 01:14:08,730 were reported in my research to being 1720 01:14:13,580 --> 01:14:11,340 misinterpreting ambiguous stimuli and I 1721 01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:13,590 think that's kind of a I don't know it's 1722 01:14:17,780 --> 01:14:15,810 it's a crappy thing to do so looking 1723 01:14:19,580 --> 01:14:17,790 back at it I kind of go I wish I 1724 01:14:21,290 --> 01:14:19,590 wouldn't have done it like that but 1725 01:14:23,390 --> 01:14:21,300 anyway about a year into researching the 1726 01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:23,400 book I I started to look more closely at 1727 01:14:27,650 --> 01:14:25,170 sort of the theories outside mainstream 1728 01:14:30,590 --> 01:14:27,660 science and that's Carl Jung that's 1729 01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:30,600 Rupert Sheldrake Michael chalice Leonard 1730 01:14:35,330 --> 01:14:32,970 Ravitz Harold Saxton burr Robert Becker 1731 01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:35,340 and it kind of opened my ID opened my 1732 01:14:40,010 --> 01:14:37,050 eyes to these alternative ideas out 1733 01:14:41,540 --> 01:14:40,020 there so I had an epiphany one night and 1734 01:14:43,550 --> 01:14:41,550 I was really struggling with all these 1735 01:14:45,860 --> 01:14:43,560 new concepts about consciousness sigh 1736 01:14:47,660 --> 01:14:45,870 and paranormal experiences I was trying 1737 01:14:51,020 --> 01:14:47,670 to fit him into my conservative view of 1738 01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:51,030 the world and I realized I spent too 1739 01:14:55,010 --> 01:14:52,890 much time reading articles books and 1740 01:14:56,300 --> 01:14:55,020 skeptical blogs that I forgot about the 1741 01:14:59,000 --> 01:14:56,310 most important thing in paranormal 1742 01:15:00,470 --> 01:14:59,010 experiences which is sort of people yeah 1743 01:15:02,420 --> 01:15:00,480 and then I I spent the next three to 1744 01:15:03,740 --> 01:15:02,430 four years just gathering as many 1745 01:15:05,990 --> 01:15:03,750 first-hand accounts of ghostly 1746 01:15:08,210 --> 01:15:06,000 experiences I could I read book after 1747 01:15:10,250 --> 01:15:08,220 book on ghostly encounters I listened to 1748 01:15:13,730 --> 01:15:10,260 ever wanted to talk to me about ghosts I 1749 01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:13,740 went to conventions I let people talk 1750 01:15:17,390 --> 01:15:15,210 about their encounters I didn't judge 1751 01:15:19,100 --> 01:15:17,400 them I didn't debunk them I didn't do 1752 01:15:22,010 --> 01:15:19,110 any of that and and what was amazing was 1753 01:15:25,070 --> 01:15:22,020 I started noticing these similarities of 1754 01:15:27,470 --> 01:15:25,080 these encounters and it led to these new 1755 01:15:30,650 --> 01:15:27,480 exciting theories that I have and I 1756 01:15:33,260 --> 01:15:30,660 really I really am grateful that I took 1757 01:15:33,620 --> 01:15:33,270 a step away from just reading articles 1758 01:15:35,300 --> 01:15:33,630 and 1759 01:15:36,830 --> 01:15:35,310 just listening to people because people 1760 01:15:40,010 --> 01:15:36,840 are experiencing this paranormal 1761 01:15:42,830 --> 01:15:40,020 phenomenon and you know I I in the past 1762 01:15:45,530 --> 01:15:42,840 old Brandon of 10 years ago might have 1763 01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:45,540 just dismissed this as this or that and 1764 01:15:53,959 --> 01:15:48,000 I kind of kicked myself in the butt for 1765 01:15:56,090 --> 01:15:53,969 doing that well welcome back to the the 1766 01:15:57,770 --> 01:15:56,100 correct side of the paranormal because I 1767 01:16:01,250 --> 01:15:57,780 think even Bigfoot would have threw a 1768 01:16:03,709 --> 01:16:01,260 rock at you yeah like that 1769 01:16:05,090 --> 01:16:03,719 you kinda yeah and I you know it's like 1770 01:16:06,860 --> 01:16:05,100 well I have a degree I know what I'm 1771 01:16:09,229 --> 01:16:06,870 talking about and you're wrong and I'm 1772 01:16:11,419 --> 01:16:09,239 right and that's a crappy attitude to 1773 01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:11,429 have and I see that a lot sometimes with 1774 01:16:16,939 --> 01:16:14,730 oh yeah you know you people kick open 1775 01:16:20,270 --> 01:16:16,949 the door and tell you well you're not 1776 01:16:21,979 --> 01:16:20,280 had seen a ghost it's blah blah blah and 1777 01:16:24,140 --> 01:16:21,989 it's kind of like you know it's like 1778 01:16:25,820 --> 01:16:24,150 telling somebody that you know they they 1779 01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:25,830 don't love their spouse you know it's 1780 01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:30,239 like you know what do me a favor you got 1781 01:16:36,050 --> 01:16:33,120 a look into this weird phenomena where 1782 01:16:38,030 --> 01:16:36,060 those who believe in ghosts don't 1783 01:16:40,220 --> 01:16:38,040 believe in aliens and then will make fun 1784 01:16:42,140 --> 01:16:40,230 of those people that have you know and 1785 01:16:43,490 --> 01:16:42,150 it's like in vice versa it's like hold 1786 01:16:45,890 --> 01:16:43,500 on and everybody 1787 01:16:48,110 --> 01:16:45,900 no wonder we haven't gotten as far as we 1788 01:16:49,910 --> 01:16:48,120 should and these odd topics because 1789 01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:49,920 you're too busy fighting each other and 1790 01:16:56,919 --> 01:16:52,770 and insulting I mean really a ghost 1791 01:17:02,720 --> 01:16:56,929 hunter is insulting a UFO hunter come on 1792 01:17:06,410 --> 01:17:02,730 yeah yeah I it seems like I have I have 1793 01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:06,420 a friend who has a who who kind of does 1794 01:17:12,290 --> 01:17:09,210 all of that he does cryptids he does 1795 01:17:15,379 --> 01:17:12,300 UFOs and he researches the ghosts too 1796 01:17:17,930 --> 01:17:15,389 and so his viewpoints and things are 1797 01:17:19,310 --> 01:17:17,940 amazingly it's like whoa I never really 1798 01:17:21,140 --> 01:17:19,320 thought about that and I think it's cuz 1799 01:17:24,620 --> 01:17:21,150 he has such a wide he's so open minded 1800 01:17:26,270 --> 01:17:24,630 to all that oh yeah this guy named MJ 1801 01:17:29,540 --> 01:17:26,280 that's producing tonight is also one of 1802 01:17:32,419 --> 01:17:29,550 those people he investigates all that 1803 01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:32,429 stuff and yeah it's it keeps life 1804 01:17:36,620 --> 01:17:34,650 interesting you're never bored and you 1805 01:17:39,500 --> 01:17:36,630 know a lot of people have to realize 1806 01:17:42,470 --> 01:17:39,510 you're not really gonna make a living by 1807 01:17:45,379 --> 01:17:42,480 disclosing the biggest UFO story you've 1808 01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:45,389 ever heard or ghost or whatever it's not 1809 01:17:48,950 --> 01:17:47,370 a way to make a living 1810 01:17:51,830 --> 01:17:48,960 people step forward they're usually 1811 01:17:54,770 --> 01:17:51,840 pouring their guts out because they need 1812 01:17:57,440 --> 01:17:54,780 to vent they hope to learn you know and 1813 01:17:59,840 --> 01:17:57,450 the meet up with others that just to 1814 01:18:01,880 --> 01:17:59,850 partner up and in this paranormal world 1815 01:18:03,380 --> 01:18:01,890 and and you know people are like oh 1816 01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:03,390 that's a bunch of malarkey I'm like hold 1817 01:18:07,340 --> 01:18:05,850 on the same person can testify in a 1818 01:18:11,060 --> 01:18:07,350 court of law 1819 01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:11,070 for witnessing something but if it flew 1820 01:18:16,790 --> 01:18:14,370 if it walked through a wall you can't 1821 01:18:20,090 --> 01:18:16,800 use that same testimony I mean it's just 1822 01:18:22,340 --> 01:18:20,100 it's sad I'm like what we've got to 1823 01:18:24,260 --> 01:18:22,350 change the attitudes that's out there 1824 01:18:26,270 --> 01:18:24,270 but yeah and one of the things I hate 1825 01:18:27,980 --> 01:18:26,280 them the most is you know someone will 1826 01:18:30,260 --> 01:18:27,990 you know you said pour their guts out 1827 01:18:32,390 --> 01:18:30,270 about a paranormal yeah and someone will 1828 01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:32,400 say well you're you're crazy or you're 1829 01:18:36,620 --> 01:18:33,570 imagining things 1830 01:18:39,530 --> 01:18:36,630 so automatically they they sort of go 1831 01:18:42,470 --> 01:18:39,540 towards questioning that person's mental 1832 01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:42,480 stability and and you know you're an 1833 01:18:47,420 --> 01:18:45,090 occupational therapist me that's that's 1834 01:18:49,010 --> 01:18:47,430 like the lowest you can go and 1835 01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:49,020 questioning someone's mental stability 1836 01:18:53,690 --> 01:18:51,210 because you know these paranormal 1837 01:18:57,170 --> 01:18:53,700 phenomenon there's millions of reported 1838 01:18:59,060 --> 01:18:57,180 occurrences every year so to have 1839 01:19:00,440 --> 01:18:59,070 someone who has an experience sort of 1840 01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:00,450 degrade them as saying they're sort of 1841 01:19:06,290 --> 01:19:03,050 mentally honest unstable to me is is 1842 01:19:08,540 --> 01:19:06,300 yeah it's almost unethical immoral to 1843 01:19:10,940 --> 01:19:08,550 say something like that it really is but 1844 01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:10,950 yeah I have to tell you it we've already 1845 01:19:15,020 --> 01:19:12,930 come to the bottom of the show I want to 1846 01:19:16,910 --> 01:19:15,030 thank you so much for coming on is there 1847 01:19:18,740 --> 01:19:16,920 a best way you could shout out real 1848 01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:18,750 quick where people can check out your 1849 01:19:22,940 --> 01:19:21,930 book yeah sure so the the the book is 1850 01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:22,950 called the ghost studies new 1851 01:19:27,230 --> 01:19:24,690 perspectives on the origin of paranormal 1852 01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:27,240 experiences you can find it pretty much 1853 01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:30,330 anywhere on the internet amazon has it 1854 01:19:35,390 --> 01:19:33,840 I think Target Walmart you can also if 1855 01:19:37,190 --> 01:19:35,400 you like going into stores and buying it 1856 01:19:40,250 --> 01:19:37,200 most Barnes and Nobles are carrying it 1857 01:19:43,580 --> 01:19:40,260 with me I really appreciate creating it 1858 01:19:45,470 --> 01:19:43,590 out to Barnes & Nobles awesome thank you 1859 01:19:47,780 --> 01:19:45,480 so much once again Brandon my solo I 1860 01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:47,790 this has been fascinating everybody at 1861 01:19:51,950 --> 01:19:49,050 the chat room loved it and I know that 1862 01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:51,960 you'll get a good response so you guys 1863 01:19:54,980 --> 01:19:54,090 thank you so much for tuning in and 1864 01:19:57,140 --> 01:19:54,990 rubber you could catch me here every 1865 01:19:58,940 --> 01:19:57,150 Friday 8:00 p.m. central 9 p.m. Eastern 1866 01:20:00,350 --> 01:19:58,950 even listen to me Heidi Hollis the 1867 01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:00,360 Outlander remembering always the Fitz 1868 01:20:01,250 --> 01:20:00,810 weird